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The global ranking system that currently exists in the game gives GE players, GE guilds, and especially mobile players, no way to directly affect their guilds position on the global rankings.
i personally think GE records is actually a better indicator of a good guild
And it already does count a lot more toward Guild ranking. Of course, only PC players can participate, so you're cutting out a large % of players/guilds. And large guilds conspire against those outside their alliances, so smaller/newer guilds have little chance of making much headway in GvG. (I've experienced this firsthand.) And guilds with large holdings use their behind-the-lines sectors for PvP point farming, so that's a kind of double-dipping that the rest of us, especially the mobile players, aren't privy to. So, all in all I think GvG guilds have little room to complain about how much GvG counts toward guild/personal rankings. And because of that, I think players that complain about GvG lag, and AF/OF Treasury goods issues are due very little sympathy. In my humble opinion.My opinion: GvG holdings should count a lot towards evaluating Guilds. Acquiring and holding a large GvG empire in multiple Provinces is the most difficult and complex aspect of thie game in both concept and implementation.
And it already does count a lot more toward Guild ranking. Of course, only PC players can participate, so you're cutting out a large % of players/guilds. And large guilds conspire against those outside their alliances, so smaller/newer guilds have little chance of making much headway in GvG. (I've experienced this firsthand.) And guilds with large holdings use their behind-the-lines sectors for PvP point farming, so that's a kind of double-dipping that the rest of us, especially the mobile players, aren't privy to. So, all in all I think GvG guilds have little room to complain about how much GvG counts toward guild/personal rankings. And because of that, I think players that complain about GvG lag, and AF/OF Treasury goods issues are due very little sympathy. In my humble opinion.
I think you need to rethink this unless you think you can solo guild your way to the top guild rank.playing in GE and GvG guilds, i personally think GE records is actually a better indicator of a good guild, because it actually takes active/equal effort from the entire guild. people working together, playing together, to consistently achieve.
not just 1 person doing lots of fighting
all other things being equal; level of guild, amount of GvG land holdings, etc... currently a 45-0-0 GE guild and a 0-0-0 GE guild would be tied in the rankings.
I'm gonna guess you meant Trophies there not medals. What I replied to there was your characterization of GvG by saying "not just 1 person doing lots of fighting" and that's kind of the problem I have with much of what you're saying, I think your overstating GE while at the same time understating GvG.solo guilds are not allowed to earn medals. must be 3 or more players... so a medal is almost always an indication of some sort of cooperative team effort.
as mentioned in my example, currently climbing the rank does not require a 'guild'. it just takes one person to form a guild and do a lot of fighting.
While true you need GvG to rise in the rank above what guild level can provide that kind of statement also carries with it a mischaracterization of GvG. So I invite you to go form your own GvG guild, lead it, see how "easy" it is and in a year I want to see how much of an impact you make on the GvG maps and see your guild rank then tell me if what you said there you would say again after that.all it takes to climb the current global ranking that primarily use the GvG map, is 1 or more strong active fighters , with any number of Remora's that tag along for the ride
And perhaps I can learn not to minimize GE as well, I just don't feel it provides the same group effort and dynamics that GvG does, frankly I find GE rather dissatisfying and boring when comparing the two as it pertains to competition. GvG feels like a monumental war effort spanning over years that takes constant vigilance whereas GE feels sort of like you say, a weekly bowling tournament. I think maybe they should add a category on the ranking board for GE.i understand to be an elite GvG guild in the top 10 it takes a team effort. didn't mean to downplay or minimize that. apologies.
the guild power/level could be balanced out by hall of fames/bazzars
all other things being equal; level of guild, amount of GvG land holdings, etc...
I think the point he was trying to make about GE vs GvG in regards to group effort (or at least what I would mean if I had said it) is that you can have 1/4 of a GvG guild not really contributing much and still be fairly successful, but not with a GE guild. Even 10% not committed to it can drag the whole guild down in GE championships.And perhaps I can learn not to minimize GE as well, I just don't feel it provides the same group effort and dynamics that GvG does, frankly I find GE rather dissatisfying and boring when comparing the two as it pertains to competition. GvG feels like a monumental war effort spanning over years that takes constant vigilance whereas GE feels sort of like you say, a weekly bowling tournament. I think maybe they should add a category on the ranking board for GE.
That's a much fairer characterization however to the larger question, which I think is does GE deserve Prestige, the nature of contribution from members is vastly different, all members of a guild can individually negotiate there way through GE, GvG just aint that simple even with good fighters and all of GvG can be lost, you can't go back and take away GE scores, I think these are just a couple of the points that can be made why it shouldn't but I do think it deserves to be on a leadership board, just not the Prestige one. But then this begs the question, what else should lend itself to either Prestige or some other leaderboard?I think the point he was trying to make about GE vs GvG in regards to group effort (or at least what I would mean if I had said it) is that you can have 1/4 of a GvG guild not really contributing much and still be fairly successful, but not with a GE guild. Even 10% not committed to it can drag the whole guild down in GE championships.
I think the point he was trying to make about GE vs GvG in regards to group effort (or at least what I would mean if I had said it) is that you can have 1/4 of a GvG guild not really contributing much and still be fairly successful, but not with a GE guild. Even 10% not committed to it can drag the whole guild down in GE championships.
I agree that GE should be recognized in some way, and it is through trophy count, but I just don't know if it should be applied to Prestige, perhaps like I mentioned it should have a separate leaders-board tab. Which guild has the most battles or combined member points like mentioned on this site here http://foestats.com/us/us1/?server=us1&world=Arvahall I think in a way expresses prestige properly defined.as indicated in my example; 1 person can climb higher in the global ranks by them selves (in a few weeks theoretically) than 80 mobile/GE players could if they played together for 50 years, went 2600-0-0 in GE and spent $1,000,000,000.00 each
(i dont think people should be able to buy their rank. but Cpu players currently can, so i am just illustrating that double standard.)
if 1 person can do it by themselves ...than 2 people in a guild can each do it by themselves, just play GvG in different ages and mind their own business, or on different parts of the same map (stay of my side! i go north you go south!)
3 people, etc.
i agree with these points entirely. i would imagine the devs considered this as well.
i think it should be a very small amount that would not have and major impact on the current rankings. but of course any change would be entirely up to the devs
prestige earned from leveling is a small token amount to indicate/reward longevity in the game, longevity is an indicator of a good guild cause it likely has experienced/knowledgeable players.
i think GE prestige should be similar to leveling prestige. just be a small token amount to indicate continued success over a long period of time, that is achieved in a game measured competition.
GvG is a avenue in the game through which guilds are allowed to directly compete and see which one is better. the game records and measures and ranks guilds accordingly
GE is also a avenue through the game which guilds directly compete to see which one is better. the game records and measures.
i dont know any other area's of direct measured competition.