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Kraken working as intended

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DeletedUser25795

Just make sure you don't announce it on the World Wide Web.....too late. :)

What I find weird is they know me and I always win their money but they keep giving me a free room food/drink and a daily allowance to spend in their gift shop. All I pay for is the flights.
 

DeletedUser

I understand what he's trying to say...he knows it's 20% every battle but he's giving percentages based on a higher number over a longer time span. He figures in 100 battles he will win twenty and the more battles he fights without the win the greater his chances are to win one....
NO! Every single time the chance is 20%. It doesn't matter how many times you try, you don't have a 40%, 120% or any other chance. EACH TIME IT IS STILL 20%. NEVER ANY MORE. This is a basic random chance fact that you are both getting completely wrong. It is a common fallacy, and it is wrong every time someone tries to pass it as fact. Your odds never go up, no matter how many times you try.
 

DeletedUser29699

What a great convo!! Haha. 20% means of x10.. u hit the jackpot twice. 200% of 10 means u it the jackpot x 20 of 10. Accumulative % Rolling a 5, on a 5 sided dye...w/ 5 rolls...that be...20% chance..
 

DeletedUser4441

edited out incorrect information (my apologies)

I was messing around in GE and with a 29% chance got 2 activation's out of 5 battles. The animation is pretty cool!!! :)
 
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DeletedUser

edited out incorrect information (my apologies)
I was messing around in GE and with a 29% chance got 2 activation's out of 5 battles. The animation is pretty cool!!! :)
No. For the first 10 battles, you have a 20% chance each time. Then you're done until you collect from the Kraken again. Read what it says in the GB's description. And it only applies to the first wave of a two-wave battle. So much misinformation!:eek:
 
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DeletedUser29699

What a great convo!! Haha. 20% means of x10.. u hit the jackpot twice. 200% of 10 means u it the jackpot x 20 of 10. Accumulative % Rolling a 5, on a 5 sided dye...w/ 5 rolls...that be...20% chance..
View attachment 8043 though this be nuggets 100% of the time

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edited out incorrect information (my apologies)
I was messing around in GE and with a 29% chance got 2 activation's out of 5 battles. The animation is pretty cool!!! :)
 
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DeletedUser

I am trying to add in the probabilities of something happening if it didn't happen over and over again then the probability increases.
This is the core of your mistake. The probability never increases. Period.
 

DeletedUser29699

NO! Every single time the chance is 20%. It doesn't matter how many times you try, you don't have a 40%, 120% or any other chance. EACH TIME IT IS STILL 20%. NEVER ANY MORE. This is a basic random chance fact that you are both getting completely wrong. It is a common fallacy, and it is wrong every time someone tries to pass it as fact. Your odds never go up, no matter how many times you try.
Wait I just tried the dye roll. I hit the 5, 20% of the time
 

Freshmeboy

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Mr. Longshanks, I said I understood what Purps is saying...he is using the law of averages for a large amount of battles and using percentages to show that probability. He knows it's 20% per battle and isn't using a single event probability model for his outcome. This was the same conversation Ardak and SJS had about the baskets in the Fall event....wait, maybe I shouldn't have brought that up...
 

DeletedUser25795

the x10 (or what ever number) is the total number of times it will activate successfully.

OK now I have a headache :( Is it 10 encounters that will activate per day or 10 attempts per day to get the encounter. I wish I could read things the same way others read things.

At least you got it to work in GE so guess I was just unlucky in GE.
 

DeletedUser

Mr. Longshanks, I said I understood what Purps is saying...he is using the law of averages for a large amount of battles and using percentages to show that probability. He knows it's 20% per battle and isn't using a single event probability model for his outcome. This was the same conversation Ardak and SJS had about the baskets in the Fall event....wait, maybe I shouldn't have brought that up...
No, he isn't. His first mention of 200% chance was after only 10 encounters. That is not a large amount of battles, nor is it even the "law of averages". It is simply a misunderstanding of random chance at its core. And it's not at all the same conversation Ardak and SJS had, not even close. The trouble with the view both of you have is that you both think the % changes if you have more chances. It doesn't. You ignore the fact that the balance to that 20% chance of killing a unit, is an 80% chance of not killing a unit. So, by his logic, after 10 battles he would have an 800% chance of not killing a unit. 800% vs 200% is still the same ratio and percentage breakdown as an individual encounter. 1 in 5 chance. Every single time. Unaffected by the previous or subsequent battles.

OK now I have a headache :( Is it 10 encounters that will activate per day or 10 attempts per day to get the encounter. I wish I could read things the same way others read things.

At least you got it to work in GE so guess I was just unlucky in GE.
It is 10 battles, each having 20% chance of killing an enemy unit before the battle starts. Then you have to collect again from the Kraken before you get another 10 battle chances. And it is only in effect on the first wave of a two wave battle. This is clearly spelled out in the Kraken's description. It is not an unlimited number of chances until you have succeeded 10 times.
 

DeletedUser26154

This was the same conversation Ardak and SJS had about the baskets in the Fall event.

I'll be the judge of what conversations I have with my friends.

OK now I have a headache

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My first 11 fights have a 23% chance to Kraken bonus.
At the beginning of my first 11 fights, the RNG determines if one of the enemy units dies before the fight starts.
Right now, it's a 23% chance of working.
So that means during my first 11 fights, there is a 23% chance of one of the enemy units dying before the fight starts.

That's as Plain English as anyone can get.

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If anyone can't understand that, it's none of our fault.
 

Freshmeboy

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So you will be the judge of open conversations you have on the public forums, Ardak...? I don't think so...once written they are a part of the public domain and can and will be pertained to at the leisure of other forum posters...just as you have done with mine....
 

Freshmeboy

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Mr. Longshanks, please reread the feedback thread where SJS argues that if Ardak wished for 20 SoK's he need but only open 100 baskets, and while the number may be a little high or low, that would be about what he would get...the baskets and the battles are the same. 20% per shot. Now, for the sake of arguement, if Purps does 10 battles per day after he collects from his Krak, how many battles would he expect to have the Kraken function in ten days..?
 

Freshmeboy

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I have a long history of debate with Mr. Longshanks, respect his opinion, and admire how he helps other players on this forum as I do, Ardak....I'll not have you dictate the course of this thread or our debate...whether I choose to debate The Gamblers Fallacy and how it pertains rightly or wrongly to the facets of this game is not up for your approval.
 
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