Columbus day event

[DeletedUser14522]

Is there really a Columbus Day event? ... If so could you cancel it or change the name?
If you are going to have a Columbus Day event it would be nice to know if you are going to have a Hitler's Birthday Event as well.
Though I understand that the Germans are well known for their attempted genocide of the Jews they should not be exporting celebrations that support Genocide in the Americas.
Minneapolis and Seattle have both outlawed Columbus Day and made the day Indigenous Day.
Celebration of true heroes ... the Indigenous ... would be a better route than celebrating a punk like Columbus. Real heroism was found in people who refused to give up their language and traditions in spite of the disease spreading, murder, rape and torture that Columbus and his European followers carried with them.
Simply because the Indigenous of Europe were willing to give up their languages and cultures to the Catholic Church and its followers (which considered Jews responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus until 1964) doesn't mean that brave Natives here in the United States were willing to give up their languages and culture.
The basic problem with the event if it is to occurs is that simple Native concepts such as "Mitakuye Owasin" are not recognized by Europeans who have better tools but are an inferior race as it concerns values and humanity.
Columbus committed Genocide against the Natives of the "New World" in the same way Hitler sought to commit genocide against the Jews and many others in Europe.
Columbus did not discover the Americas; people were here before him. Although none of the people here were as advanced technologically nor prepared for a diseased group of Europeans to bring the litany of psychological and physiological diseases that Europeans carried, the people here were more advanced in some sciences (the potato came from the Inca) and familial relationships.
Could you folks over at InnoGames please not continue the exportation of the false concept that Columbus was anything more than an idiot who didn't know where he was ... that he didn't discover anything (even from the Eurocentric perspective the Norse arrived in the Americas before Columbus) ... and he was the first in a long line of diseased explorers that came from a continent that has little concept that anyone else on the planet Earth is human other than themselves?

 

[DeletedUser13900]

Is there really a Columbus Day event? ... If so could you cancel it or change the name?
If you are going to have a Columbus Day event it would be nice to know if you are going to have a Hitler's Birthday Event as well.

I was also shocked that there would be a Columbus Day event, given how controversial the holiday has become in light of a less sentimental and more objective view of history. If Columbus was "exploring" in a similar way today, he'd be charged with crimes against humanity. Columbus was thousands of years behind the Siberian nomads who actually discovered the Americas, and also about five centuries too late to claim credit as the first European to reach the New World.

 

[DeletedUser7289]

I'll echo your sentiment; Columbus was certainly not anyone I'd want to celebrate. If nothing else, I would have thought INNO would have stayed away from such a controversial subject.
But I'll play it, since I can use another Champion retreat...

 

[DeletedUser17584]

Columbus Day is a federal holiday that commemorates the arrival of Christopher Columbus in the Americas.

Seattle did not, and could not, outlaw any federal holiday, the city council 'created' a new holiday Indigenous Peoples' Day.
It is not recoginized as a legal holiday and no banks, schools, State Buildings or Federal Buildings will be closed Indigenous Peoples' Day.
They will be closed Columbus Day.

Twist the facts a little and you can rewrite history but trying to compare Columbus to Hitler is nothing short of silly.

 

[xJox]

I guess you didn't get the memo, JD. European culture = bad, other cultures = good. Historical losers get to hold grudges for hundreds of years because: inferiority complex.

 

[DeletedUser22283]

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/columbus_day

Pretty informative.

 

[Algona]

It seems odd that anyone enjoying playing a game with heavy components of battle, war, and conquest would vilify Columbus for supposedly doing those same things.

Godwin's Law first post. Nice! As long as we're there, first post uses the word 'attempt' twice in describing Hitler’s actions re Jews. Rambling attacks on Catholic Church and European values and humanity. Odd stuff.

As a former Seattle resident, I am NOT proud of my city’s actions regarding Columbus Day.

"I don't like Columbus but I'll participate in this voluntary event to garner a minor prize?" Seriously?

Anyway, I'm happy with the Columbus Event, strikes me as appropriate for this game.

 

[DeletedUser]

Just as a late to the party FYI... States and Municipalities do not have to recognize federal holidays for their workers, though States may require municipalities to honor their specific holidays as adopted. In some states, the observance of Columbus day is moved intentionally, often to the day after Thanksgiving (where it is ignored). Further, there are legitimate calls to remove Columbus Day as a US Federal Holiday, and the movement has gained significant traction over the past decade or so. This would not be unprecedented as at least two previous Federal Holidays are no longer recognized. There are also innumerable other observance days which are NOT Federal Holidays and have no force of law or custom which require them to be paid time off for federal workers.

However, from a Historical context, Columbus' relevance wasn't as the first to discover, it was really the first to exploit. He ushered in a wave of exploration that the Vikings did not. That era was bloody, unapologetic, and rife with some of the worst aspects of humanity. As a nominally historic game, I think acknowledging the event is within Inno's realm of reasonableness, but in modern times it's in a bit of bad taste.

That's my two cents... several weeks late.

 

[DeletedUser10076]

This thread represents everything wrong in society.

 

[DeletedUser]

This thread represents everything wrong in society.

This does not add to this discussion. If you have a point, arguing for or against the original poster's comment, please make it. Otherwise there's no necessity for snide comments inferring that people's opinions are invalid merely because you disagree with them, such that they are the root cause of all your perceived societal ills.

 

[DeletedUser18225]

If I follow the logic of the first post correctly, wouldn't we need to have a Japanese Day since our evil H Bombs caused disease? And should not we have Confederate Day since the Yankee hoards invaded the south raping their women? And, perhaps the most important, should we not have a brave America day to commemorate how we valiantly attempted to stand up to the invasion of Justin Bieber from Canada!

 

[DeletedUser8428]

This does not add to this discussion. If you have a point, arguing for or against the original poster's comment, please make it. Otherwise there's no necessity for snide comments inferring that people's opinions are invalid merely because you disagree with them, such that they are the root cause of all your perceived societal ills.

Obs, while I agree that it would be nice (at least once in a while) if all comments contributed something to a discussion, this forum has no such requirement and players are encouraged to participate with whatever they have to say, provided that they avoid racist, sexist, pornographic or 'unsavory' (I'm sure that's open to interpretation) comments. Sneering is common here, regardless of the topic. While you and others don't like his attitude, he does have the right to express it.

 

[Algona]

"should we not have a brave America day to commemorate how we valiantly attempted to stand up to the invasion of Justin Bieber from Canada! "

Thread winner?

Personally, I liked the way Obsidian metaphorically takes Walrus over his knee and gives him a fast hard spanking. I thought it was a damn fine job by Obsidian.

Not disputing your point hjh, we're all entitled to spew whatever idiocy we want here. Like pissing and moaning about Columbus,

 

[Mustapha00]

This does not add to this discussion. If you have a point, arguing for or against the original poster's comment, please make it. Otherwise there's no necessity for snide comments inferring that people's opinions are invalid merely because you disagree with them, such that they are the root cause of all your perceived societal ills.

The OP referred to a recent trend towards more "objective" history.

As an active reader of history, what the OP refers to as "objective" is, in actuality, merely a change in bias from pro-European culture and history to anti-European culture and history, particularly if that culture is light-skinned and even moderately religious. Replacing one bias which at least had the benefit of being mostly true with a bias which is mostly false does not improve the discussion. By all means....include all the terrible things that white settlers did to the native populations. It did happen. But, at the same time, do not gloss over the fact that the native tribes practiced wars of assimilation and/or extinction on other native tribes. The Americas were hardly a place of utopian Kumbaya sentiment prior to the arrival of Columbus.
And by all means, recognize whoever you believe to be the original "discoverer" of the Americas, whether it is groups of Siberian nomads, Zheng He or Erik (although, as another white male, the last >might< be problematic). But do not gloss over the fact that Christopher Columbus, through his actions, opened up the Americas for development (or exploitation- both are valid) by European countries, with benefits still enjoyed by billions today.

 

[DeletedUser]

Now this is a discussion related comment.

I've no problem taking every culture to task over our shared history, it's revolting throughout. In the case of the original position I thought the decision to include Columbus was within reasonably, but its inclusion comes with a lot of contextual historical baggage which I feel makes it in rather poor taste. In fact in my original comment in response, I defended Columbus' impact specifically as ushering in the age of exploration (and exploitation). That doesn't mean I think the natives were particularly homogeneous, or have some higher moral stance on many issues throughout the centuries. Many of the empires the Spanish destroyed had extremely violent and bloody histories. Still doesn't make one action or another right. But, honoring Columbus still carries all the baggage of his actions which were personally on the more reprehensible side.