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Could life exist on other planets?

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Lannister the Rich

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The problem with your perspective is that it makes God a liar, which He is not. God did not and can not bear false witness about anything. John 1:1 "In the beginning there was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." How much of the Word can you deny before you deny God?

You said, "It could not possibly have happened the way you describe," then two sentences later say, "Could the creation of all things have been done in 7 days? Yes." Which is it? Get off the fence.
You didn’t read it correctly, I was proposing options said from the perspective of a “anti-evolutionist” Christian. The “you” was not directed at @RazorbackPirate, the “you” was directed at all those who believe in evolution. So, no, I’m not on the fence.

As we've seen in a previous thread, acceptance has no bearing on the Truth. Accepting the lie, does not make it less of a lie, even if it's acceptance is by a church, or it's leaders. If God created man through evolution, He is more than capable of telling us so in His Word, yet he didn't. He told us exactly how He did it and exactly how long it took Him.
Interesting how you talked about Stephen cherry picking his beliefs, and in the next thread say you don’t believe in something accepted by the Church. Cherry picking..
Your Christian denomination doesn’t believe in it? Fine. I believe it, because I am Catholic, which makes your assumption of me...
Since you also deny the existence of a creator, you're also left no choice but to believe in theories like evolution.
completely unfounded.

This is not a topic of faith, so please stop referring to it. You are also not allowed to debate religion in this thread. I believe what I believe, and you believe what you believe. We will not get anywhere debating anything on that topic. You’ve already said your piece about inter-dimensional beings, so fine. If you have nothing more than religion to bring to this, I’ll kindly ask you to exit the thread.
 

Freshmeboy

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There is a vast separation between scripture and science because the technology behind scripture is thousands of years behind the tech of modern science. I cannot rule out a deity simply because I have little proof. By that same token, I cannot rule out theories based on scientific evidence regardless if they are incomplete......all that is required for both ideologies is more evidence...
 

Super Catanian

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Not only this, but are you aware of the achievements of the organisms you compare.
I don't want to get in a bigger debate about this, so I'll just tell you: yes, I am aware of nature's achievements; I tend to study them on my free time. I tried to clear this up by mentioning the term humanity's artificial technology. Obviously, nature still is better than us when it comes to materials with the greatest tensile strength, how to harvest more sunlight efficiently, or making colors that don't fade away. But no other organism has been able to imitate as much of the rest of nature as humans have done.
 

DeletedUser36572

What happens when the aliens land in your yard, step off their space vessel, and look just like you?
 

Lancer

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As someone who let's scripture be the final arbiter, there's no indication that life exists on other planets, but there are beings that primarily exist in other dimensions. When I say primarily, there are numerous examples documented in scripture (both OT and NT) where these beings have physically manifested within our four dimensional space.

In Hebrews 13:2, the author (thought to be the Apostle Paul) tells us, "Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares."

Surprisingly, this is consistent with current scientific belief that we live in a universe of at least 10 dimensions, although we can only perceive four. If you watch or read interviews with scientists from CERN, they say that one of the goals of their work at CERN is to open portals into these other dimensions. Those involved at the forefront of quantum computing say the reason quantum computing is so fast is that the calculations are actually being performed in these other dimensions where they are free from the constraints of time as we perceive it.

Although I have no interest in trying it myself, I am fascinated by the consistency of the reports from those who have taken DMT who say they've not only seen other beings while in the DMT induced state, but have been able to communicate with them. Interestingly, DMT is a naturally occurring chemical produced by the pineal gland, but in quantities too small to give us the same effect as when taken as a drug.

Many now believe that when eastern religions and new age believers talk about opening the 'third eye', they're referring to this phenomenon. Those who have done so report that this increases their spirituality and ability to hear from ascended masters, spiritual guides and the like, essentially, these same beings.

The pineal gland, about the size of a pea, is actually shaped like a tiny pine cone, the object from which it derives it's name. Throughout recorded history, the pine cone has symbolized man's enlightenment, the third eye, as well as the pineal gland itself. Many religions around the world still use the pine cone in their symbology, including Kabbalah, Catholicism, as well as those involved in the occult.

Biologists know that many of the chemicals we're exposed to on a daily basis, such as chlorine on our drinking water, compromise the functions of the pineal gland which could be an explanation of why we can no longer perceive these beings, and why small children (with less exposure to these chemicals) are often adamant that their 'imaginary' friends are in fact, real, despite the adults around them not being able to see or hear them.

Ancient art from the Sumerians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Incas, and Aztecs often depict winged creatures with bird or reptilian like features holding up pine cones. (Check out any episode of the first few seasons of Ancient Aliens.) Sumerian Cuneiform tablets record that the beings depicted are from other planets, whether that's true, or just the story these beings told the Sumerians is a subject that's has been hotly debated since we learned to read and translate Cuneiform.

The Akkadians, originating in ancient Mesopotamia, the oldest culture on record, and the first culture to use Cuneiform writing, named one of their first cities "Gate of the Gods", the name of this city is where we derive both the words Babel and Babylon. Babel, the Latin translation of the Hebrew word for this Akkadian city, Babylon, the Latin translation of the Greek work for this same Akkadian city.

The Book of Jasher (or The Book of the Upright, as jasher is not a person name, but a transliteration of the Hebrew word for upright), now considered an apocryphal text by Protestant churches and no longer included in Protestant bibles, but still considered canonical by the Catholic, Ethiopian, and Eastern Orthodox churches, still in their bibles, and still considered scripture in Judaism, states that the plan for the Tower of Babel was to reach into heaven to mount a military assault against it and to kill God. "And all these people and all the families divided themselves in three parts; the first said, "We will ascend into heaven and fight against him"; the second said, "We will ascend to heaven and place our own gods there and serve them"; and the third part said, "We will ascend to heaven and smite him with bows and spears." Jasher 9:26 Given that, it's no wonder why God confused their language so they could not complete their task.

Just this week a video surfaced on the inter-webs, that the Navy had to acknowledge was genuine, showing what they term to be UAPs (unexplained aerial phenomena) flying around in ways that no acknowledged terrestrial aircraft are capable of. For years, there have been similar reports, including the ability to suddenly appear and disappear into and out of existence. Given the weight of the evidence, it would seem that these are inter-dimensional craft, piloted by these same inter-dimensional beings.

Are alien (inter-dimensional) beings real? Most certainly, yes. Are they from another planet? Who knows? However, I do believe disclosure to the general public is just beginning and we'll be seeing and hearing much more about them in the years to come and will no longer be able to deny their existence. Are their intentions good or evil? Scripture speaks of angels and fallen angels, so I guess it depends on which one's we encounter.

This post reminds me of the show that I'm currently watching, (which I love by the way), Ancient Aliens.
 

Lancer

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Pertaining to the topic of this thread:

Yes, there is relevant "on topic" opinions regarding aliens, gods, and angels. They may be all the same thing, they may not.

Regardless, Religious beliefs shouldn't be included in this thread. In fact, it's not accepted in the forum period. So please refrain from responding to previous responses and future ones regarding that.

Thanks!
 

DeletedUser

@Stephen Longshanks, I'm disappointed by your response. You claim to be a believer in Christ, yet deny His first work, creation. Can't say I'm surprised, it's typical of cultural Christians with shopping cart theology. Accept what makes you like and leave the sticky bits behind. It grieves me you've been given a leadership and teaching position in your church. I pray those under your tutelage find their way out. But as Christ Himself said, "narrow is the gate," and "there are few who find it."
Where exactly did I deny creation? Nowhere is the correct answer to that question. Please specify what part of my response you're referring to. Given your political views, you should not be throwing stones.
 

Lannister the Rich

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Moving on, some scientific communities are exploring the possibility of different types of biochemistry than that of carbon based life. Check out this Wikipedia article:

“The element silicon has been much discussed as a hypothetical alternative to carbon. Silicon is in the same group as carbon on the periodic table and, like carbon, it is tetravalent. Hypothetical alternatives to water include ammonia, which, like water, is a polar molecule, and cosmically abundant; and non-polar hydrocarbon solvents such as methane and ethane, which are known to exist in liquid form on the surface of Titan.”
 

Freshmeboy

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The issue with silicon based life forms is temperature..it may well be that silicon life exists in single cell forms but extreme cold is not condusive to growth without energy from an external force such as the sun. Life may exist but it will never get beyond a certain point. Science doesn't care; any life form anywhere other than earth is worthy but what we all want is intelligent life...an alien buddy we can talk to, drink a beer with or hitch a ride across the galaxy in their souped-up space RV...
 

Freshmeboy

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On another note, for years now I have debated the possibility of human like aliens with an old biology professor friend of mine..She has never enjoyed science fiction movies because the aliens are all like us: Erect, forward facing eyes, four limbs with opposable thumbs, etc. The key to our form and function lies with the predator/prey relationship and the demand for locomotion in a watery environment coupled with millions of years of evolution..interesting idea but unprovable until we can see other life on other planets...
 

Super Catanian

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Moving on, some scientific communities are exploring the possibility of different types of biochemistry than that of carbon based life. Check out this Wikipedia article:

“The element silicon has been much discussed as a hypothetical alternative to carbon. Silicon is in the same group as carbon on the periodic table and, like carbon, it is tetravalent. Hypothetical alternatives to water include ammonia, which, like water, is a polar molecule, and cosmically abundant; and non-polar hydrocarbon solvents such as methane and ethane, which are known to exist in liquid form on the surface of Titan.”
Hmm, perhaps my previous theory could be correct, although I am 100% convinced not because of reasons that are not allowed to be mentioned here.
Agreeing with @freshmeboy above, who knows what they would look like? Perhaps they would get energy from geothermal activity, similar to lifeforms at the bottom of the Earth's oceans?
 

Lannister the Rich

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To quote one of my favorite movies..“life finds a way”

I have a friend who believes that after the humans are eradicated on this planet, there will be a new species, whether intelligent or not, that will be able to survive the new conditions of the planet. I thought that was very interesting and I’d like to return to this comment:

The reason the Fermi paradox fails is because life forms are subject to eradication in an instant from their own panet or surrounding solar system. Yes, the numbers bear out life on other planets and also intelligent life that has four limbs, walks erect, opposable digits, etc. The problem is time and distance. In the roughly 200K years of Homo Sapiens existance, species on other planets could easily have arisen, developed large societies and then been eradicated by natural forces. Other species may have developed technologies beyond ours but the distance between us in time and space is so vast as to make it impossible to contact us...When and if they do, their society, culture and species has long since died off...

We know, or have at least hypothesized, that the age of our solar system is relatively new when compared to other star systems. If other species have died off already, it may still be possible that what is left behind becomes the new dominant species after a couple hundred million years. Thus, I think it would cycle to the same result.

Personally, I don’t think we will ever meet each other unless wormholes are actually real. And even then, we would need to have some way of controlling the exit. The fastest thing we’ve ever been able to measure was light, and we’ve never measured anything with any sort of mass being able to reach that same speed. If it is possible, which I would be thrilled and fascinated to see, I don’t think it will happen in any of our life times.
 
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RazorbackPirate

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Interesting how you talked about Stephen cherry picking his beliefs, and in the next thread say you don’t believe in something accepted by the Church. Cherry picking..
No. I don't cherry pick. The acceptance of the theory of evolution is in direct opposition to the clear words of scripture. That is why I cannot and will not accept it.
By that same token, I cannot rule out theories based on scientific evidence regardless if they are incomplete......all that is required for both ideologies is more evidence...
That's the thing, if you do your research, as I did, you will find overwhelming evidence consistent with scripture, with zero evidence of evolution. I challenge you to do the research and come to your own conclusions as I have.
Where exactly did I deny creation? Nowhere is the correct answer to that question. Please specify what part of my response you're referring to. Given your political views, you should not be throwing stones.
Which political views? That abortion is murder? That free speech is important? That protection of the second amendment is critical to the protection of free speech and a free people? Such radical thoughts.
(Joke)
The government is hiding the aliens from us.
Not a joke, indeed they are. But not for much longer ... You read it here first.
 

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You said:
@Stephen Longshanks, I'm disappointed by your response. You claim to be a believer in Christ, yet deny His first work, creation.
To which I replied by asking where I deny creation. Here is what I said:
There certainly could be other planets conducive to, and possibly containing, living organisms. Whether those organisms ever reach the state we refer to as "intelligent life" is another question.
Now where in that do I "deny creation"?
 

mamboking053

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I don't want to get in a bigger debate about this, so I'll just tell you: yes, I am aware of nature's achievements; I tend to study them on my free time. I tried to clear this up by mentioning the term humanity's artificial technology. Obviously, nature still is better than us when it comes to materials with the greatest tensile strength, how to harvest more sunlight efficiently, or making colors that don't fade away. But no other organism has been able to imitate as much of the rest of nature as humans have done.

But that's the thing. It's an imitation. An inferior replication or an attempt to imitate or surpass a superior work. For instance, AI is an attempt to replicate consciousness and the physical body of a living being and the fluid synergy between them. And in all this you'd have to realize that we, with all our gifts, are creations designed by something else. You could say that we evolved from simpler things, true, but what is responsible for that evolution? What inside us changes things and improves us generation after generation. It isn't the conscious human mind making these improvements that give human beings the intelligence they have to attempt to create things on that level, so...what?
 

RazorbackPirate

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You said:

To which I replied by asking where I deny creation. Here is what I said:

Now where in that do I "deny creation"?
Sorry, I could have worded it better. You deny His account of His first work, creation.

Foolish me, believing that God said what He meant, and meant what He said. Thanks for clarifying that our Creator God was powerful enough to create it all, yet couldn't find the words to communicate to us how He did it. Glad we figured it out for Him. (This line is sarcasm for those who can't figure that out.)
 

DeletedUser

Regardless, Religious beliefs shouldn't be included in this thread. In fact, it's not accepted in the forum period.
To clarify this, extreme beliefs of any kind are against Forum rules, but simply talking about various beliefs (religious or otherwise) is not against Forum rules.
 
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