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Graviton

Well-Known Member
The cartel of "Well Known Members" pounce on every new poster if that poster has a viewpoint that runs contrary to theirs.
I can't let this one go by...what we "pounced" on at first was not your viewpoint, but the conclusion that you drew from it, which we perceived to be hastily formed. Now we're "pouncing" on your continued assertion that experience means nothing.

Since we've traded old saws back and forth (or in some cases, mangled saws): "Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted." - Ralph Waldo Emerson.
 
The game changed in November 2019 when GBG was introduced. The "how to's", up to that point, regarding earning diamonds and fps pretty much went out the window.
This is not true at all. A fully decked GE4 farm takes maybe an hour or less of dedication a week, and the diamonds expected value is 168.75 diamonds. To get the same amount of diamonds from GBG, you need to do 741 fights in diamond league. While the actual time you spend pressing autobattle to get to 741 fights might take less than an hour a day, your schedule has to be optimized for GBG swaps, which is not a luxury that everyone has. WW farms take even less of a time commitment once you have enough of them from events, although doing events in multiple worlds is tedious.

As for FPs, not really? People still snipe, and I've optimized my friends list so I get 1k in profit daily and spend maybe less than half an hour to do so? If I could snipe every profitable position today and am not limited by my measly inventory, I could have gotten 2k extra from my friends list. I'm not at the point where I have the time in my life to crank out the 588 fights/day to get the same number of FPs. GBG has added new avenues for making FPs and diamonds but there are most time-efficient methods in my view.

I also did tons of goods trading and selling and got 33085 FPs in the span of about 52 days.
 
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Graviton

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The group is pouncing because I've asserted that "experience means nothing". Please show me the post where I made that assertion.
Experience much beyond 2 years is, imho, mostly irrelevant.
Since you're going to play semantics games I'm out. By all means, claim victimhood. You've been unfairly targeted for no reason.
 

DreadfulCadillac1

Well-Known Member
With all my years of irrelevant knowledge clogging up my head. To me one of the first of the major changes in the game (After GvG) was the now humble (and despised by some) little OBS. Before that everyone had to pay their guild dues into the guild treasury out of their own stock. Once everyone got an OBS and leveled it to 10. It meant a huge boost to guild income and allowed each player to keep all the goods they produced and enabled them to trade much more effectively and so boost their own capability. Then when Arc came along so many got rid of the OBS as it was one of those old (and therefore irrelevant) things in the game. But again despite high level Arcs and event building giving goods. clear thinking guilds using irrelevant knowledge are again placing the little OBS on the must have list. But Modern guild founders that are fixated on Arc being the only GB to go for have all their members bogged down trying to get it first and are ignoring the importance of the OBS for enabling early age players to help their guild and themselves at a time when resources are harder to come by.
What's funny is that once again guilds are starting to require an obs (on top of arc), to keep up with guild goods. My current guild requires Arc and OBS, and heavily encourages atom/SOH. I haven't built an atom yet simply because of space restraints though. With my soh's I produce over 1k guild goods a day, which is good for right now.
 

DreadfulCadillac1

Well-Known Member
Hopefully I can learn something here. How did you make this work? I understand the part about how to trade the goods and the part about the good's recipient dropping FPs on a trader's GB. My puzzlement comes from me only using 1.9 threads to level my GBs which means I get a large % of the FPS for free. Say, for example, I sell an ARC pack for 400fps. If the recipient puts the 400 on one of my GBs chances are they will lock a spot that could have been locked in a 1,9 thread and which would net me zero. When I explored buying a FI pack the trader wanted me to pay 2500 FPs plus the 1.9 cost to lock the spot on his GB. This makes fiscal sense to me but would only work for a goods buyer with a 80+ Arc. I have tens of thousands of goods but haven't figured out how to manage the FP flow so that I can actually earn the full amount paid for the goods received. Make sense? How did you do it?
Well, when I sell goods, I do one of the following two things (Depending on the experience of the player I'm working with/their arc level and fp ability to pay)

1. Ask for the FP required to sell the goods on top of a 1.9 contribution
2. Ask for the FP required to sell the goods on a GB below level 10-20, and use solely random contributions from people (not 1.9) to level the building. I want to level my babel to 10+, but I'm not going to pay 100s of fp per level to do 1.9 on a below level 10 GB, that's just silly.
 

Johnny B. Goode

Well-Known Member
Ya. My guild requires both the ARC and the OBS. I arrived with an 80 ARC and they've pretty much levelled my OBS to 22 for me. They don't require SOH but I have 2 plus a bunch of RTVs anyway. In exchange, they build a LOT of SCs every GBG season and I am a huge beneficiary of their GBG focus. All in all, I'm getting the better end of the deal.
So after all this you admit that it's your guild that gets you so many points and not your "expertise". ROFLMAO!
 

Johnny B. Goode

Well-Known Member
why you are so triggered on this expertise thing, JBG? if you are so good why don't you come to us22 and pass me on rank starting from scratch?
Triggered? Just because I don't buy his crap? That's almost as funny as this guy's posts.
 
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icarusethan

Active Member
Triggered? Just because I don't buy his crap? That's almost as funny as this guy's posts.
whats really funny is you and razorwhoever keeps claiming you are the experienced players but have nothing to show for it besides a record saying you playing this game for over 1000 days. who cares?
 
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Emberguard

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whats really funny is you and razorwhoever keeps claiming you are the experienced players but have nothing to show for it besides a record saying you playing this game for over 1000 days. who gives a dame?
They have their posts on the forum to show for it. I know they have the game knowledge due to them having shared it over the years. Whether or not they get along with others long enough to achieve anything from that is a whole different matter. They do tend to butt heads with others

As to why 1,000 days matter. It matters about as much as ranking points: both are meaningless without further context as both show entirely different things

In exchange, they build a LOT of SCs every GBG season and I am a huge beneficiary of their GBG focus. All in all, I'm getting the better end of the deal.
Well done. Happy for you. Do keep in mind however that there are far more players than there are guilds equipped to be able to afford that. Not every player would be able to get accepted into top guilds even if those top guilds wanted to accept them

So my question to you is this (you don’t have to answer, just something for you to think about in regards to experience V expertise): if you started a brand new guild with 50-80 brand new players, would you have the expertise necessary to reproduce that starting from scratch? If you would have the expertise to reproduce it but not the leadership capabilities would you at least have the expertise to equip others to do so?

This could be either in a brand new world if one opens up or in a established world. A brand new world however would not have access to an Arc for quite some time. So someone with expertise in the intricacies and nuances would know what they need to do leading upto obtaining that first Arc and then how to proceed from there.
 

Agent327

FOE Team
Forum Moderator
If you read back through this thread, or the Spin the Wheel thread, you will find that I authored no posts bragging about my expertise in the game. So I fail to comprehend how your question is relevant. However, if you read back through threads that several other contributors to this thread have posted to (I'm not permitted to name names but you know who I refer to) you will find a very common theme to their responses. Typically, they take on one of two forms. (1) "Maybe you should listen to people with more experience", and (2) "If you don't like it maybe this isn't the game for you". The foundation for the experience vs expertise debate is found in the former. These few players think that their experience somehow entitles them to respect and attention. They aggressively defend their turf when challenged by players, like me, that care little about experience but highly value expertise.
You care little about experience. You highly value expertise. You challenge players that you feel think that their experience somehow entitles them to respect and attention, teling them you can outperform them. How is that not bragging about your expertise? If it isn't what are you bragging about? What is the use of challenging others and stating you can outperform them?
 

Agent327

FOE Team
Forum Moderator
Dude, you have one city with 28 million points. Big stinkin' deal. I've deleted cities with that many points before. My 53 million point city that you mentioned? I have basically only collecting from it for over two years. I have another one with 47 million points that I play a little more actively, but have stopped in FE. I also have two cities of 18 and 10 million points that I am at best semi-active. The other cities I have, I started in the last couple of years and am only developing them into Diamond farms. In none of these am I in a guild with other players, and haven't been for well over a year. Any one of us could take a new city and outpace you without breaking a sweat. Get over yourself.


I see a comment, not a challenge. and that comment was made to this

Going forward I will get a great deal of satisfaction watching my city outperform theirs and resist the temptation to circle back and rub their collective noses in it.
That's not bragging?
 

Johnny B. Goode

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"Any one of us could take a new city and outpace you without breaking a sweat". Let's put it to a vote....that's not a challenge? Have you never participated in competitive sports? Competitive anything? This is a textbook example of a challenge.
No, it's an opening for a challenge to be offered. You then challenged me to do this. I politely decline. I already have 9 cities. Instead, why don't you start 3 more cities and see how you do. Running one city by itself is a piece of cake in this game, especially if you luck into a great guild, as you obviously have. Do it on a few more worlds, and stick it out for 6 years. Start your own guild from scratch a couple of times and see how it goes. Maybe actually do something impressive in the game before you come here bragging about your one little city.
 

Johnny B. Goode

Well-Known Member
If running one city is "a piece of cake" and running many is difficult to the point of mediocrity why would I want to do that? I'd rather be a successful specialist than a mediocre generalist.
Not difficult, just time consuming. If you think any part of this game is "difficult", then that explains a lot. I have a life outside this game in addition to having 9 cities. There was a time when I actively played just a couple of cities, but that time is long past and I'm not revisiting it just to put you in your place. Why don't you try building a city without being in a "top 10 guild" and see how fast/far you progress. I choose to play for relaxation and enjoyment, not to compete in a no-win game. And if you don't think it's a no-win game, well, you're just wrong again. You're actually a mediocre specialist at best, while I am a successful generalist.

Oh, stating that I 'lucked" into a top guild is an insult to all top guild leaders. No one lucks into a top 10 guild, they earn their way in and defend their spot every week. Your comment is indicative of someone that never made the cut. Feel free to reach out to my guild's leader and inquire if he thinks I was lucky or he was.
That's hilarious. You're really talking out your butt now. You have no idea what I've done or where I've been in this game. But then, speaking out of ignorance seems to be your specialty...and in that specialty you are successful. And I don't give a rat's behind what your guild leader thinks of your one measly little city.
 

Agent327

FOE Team
Forum Moderator
"Any one of us could take a new city and outpace you without breaking a sweat". Let's put it to a vote....that's not a challenge? Have you never participated in competitive sports? Competitive anything? This is a textbook example of a challenge.
It isn't a challenge. It is a statement of someone that is convinced of what he is saying and because of that not even remotely a challenge. In all fairness, the way you react to everything, everything must seem a challenge to you.

Yep, I stand corrected. "I will get a great deal of satisfaction watching my city outperform theirs" is indeed bragging. Not remotely close to some of what I've read on this Forum but bragging nonetheless.
So are you now going to apologize?
 

Johnny B. Goode

Well-Known Member
I have tried hard to be polite to you. I write in plain English using proper syntax but can't control where your mind goes when you read. This entire response is a feeble attempt at misdirection. You boasted that "any one of us could take a new city and outpace you without breaking a sweat". Your cohort has been uncharacteristically quiet on this so I'll presume they want no part of it. For you I say put up or shut up.
Dude, you're pathetic. You couldn't even handle two cities without your guild buddies to build you up, let alone 9. My statement wasn't a boast, it was a fact based on my knowledge of the abilities of the posters here. Every one of them has experience and expertise in this game that you can't come close to matching. You have membership in a top 10 guild to lean on. Try building one city up without a guild like that to nursemaid you, then we'll talk.
 

Agent327

FOE Team
Forum Moderator
@ Pericles the Lion You did not apologize. All you did was say you stand corrected. I see no apology whatsoever for accusing me of insulting you, which I clearly did not.

On another subject, if you want to quote someone in your reply, you can not put your reactions inside of the quote. Every part you react to, you need to end the quote with the appropriate UB code for ending a quote. After that you can react. If you want to react to a second part, you need to C&P the UB code with the name of the poster in front of the part you plan to react to and make sure you also close that part again.