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GBG cheating is not even being hidden anymore

Lord Nutty

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This some bs man the amount of lag cheaters in this game, worse than it was at end of gvg. we get to x1 50 hits before they do, then the second they start hitting our sector ever single one of our 40 members gets insane lag while they just speed past us. doesn't matter when we were hitting a sector, if they weren't on it, no lag, if they were on it, awfull lag. this needs to stop and inno needs to stop protecting the cheaters like they did during gvg just because the cheaters give them money
 
Here we go again. Lag is real and it sux and INNO is terrible for not fixing it. However, if there is community lag, everyone is experiencing it. Put the blame where it falls; on INNO.

The screaming and whining about "cheaters" only make those not as efficient as fighters feel good. I know for a fact I have never cheated yet I have been accused of such. It gets real old real fast.

INNO has done little to nothing to fix the issue with lag. I don't begrudge this new ownership group for wanting to recoup their investment and make a profit, but people are really getting tired of the launch day lag. It is stupid and zaps the enjoyment of the game. Not to mention the conspiracy theories that crop up, like the OP posited here. Those theories are the fault of INNO for not fixing this issue. They want us all to compete and spend those diamonds, but we are spending more time watching the swords spin instead of actually fighting. BORING.

There are more comments (at least in my guild) right after the launch about how unbearable the lag is, than there are about the actual battle. Is that really what INNO wants? A bunch of unhappy, unsatisfied consumers of their product? Angry players cussing INNO out for the terrible lag rather than high-fiving or... consoling each other over the results? I would think not. But that is what they are doing and that is what they get for such poor management.

Fixing the lag should be their top priority if GBG is as important as they suggest it is.

Fix the lag, INNO! Fix it!
 
GbG now sucks completely with the new roll out. I doubt there's any fix that will balance the guilds again. More guilds are dismantling and trying to join the top 2 but they're full now. 3rd and 4th place guilds in my world are a joke in comparison. Players that used to try have just given up and focus on the events. GE and the "Improved" QI. (no sarcasm. It really is improved)
 
A player in my guild made the claim that the top guild in our world has their own server which is why they can put in 100 battles to our 15-20. I'm not a tech guy so I don't understand if that's possible but could be a huge advantage if so...
Quote "I Learned this from other players whiLe in TW.. bL (black Listed) has a private server that's Located close enough to Germany where the main Inno servers are based.."
 
Inno uses a list server so it's only going to be as fast as each data package can be processed in and out. Having one's own "server" or a faster data transmission speed will help lessen the time for those data info pkgs to make their roundtrips but in all honesty the time is virtually meaningless when the number of people sending in data packets and receiving them from the Inno server is that much higher, i.e., battlegrounds opening day, recalc from GvG, etc.

Just think back to High School.

When you walked halls during a class to go the office or your locker or something, easy, breezy. Try doing that after the bell rings. It makes salmon spawning look tame. ;)
 
The gbg is definitely bad during opening but I've experienced lag against the top guild in the middle of the day as others in my guild did when there wasn't much activity on the map.
 
That's because the will still show up in force -- more people clicking than usual -- so they can wrap it in minutes and go back to whatever it is they go back to. Been in those guilds and if you are not uber-punctual, you're lucky if you can hit 10 fights per sector. Too many folks, not enough fights for them all.
 
Dominator-X you may not be cheating. I have nothing to go on but your word, and no reason to doubt your word is good. But to deny that GBG cheating is rampant just because *you* aren't doing it is head deep deep in the sand naivety. Cheating is rampant. Bots are rampant. There are videos on youtube that will teach you how to use them and tell you where to get them. The sites selling them can be found with a google search. And the number of players getting banned for using them is infintesimal to non existent. So don't take it as a personal attack when someone complains about botting. It is destroying the game, or at least a major portion of the game, for a lot of players.

Oh and by the way... just because you aren't botting doesn't mean you aren't benefitting from bots. There may be botters in your guild. Those botters contribute to your guilds gbg wins, which benefit you as well.
 
Perhaps if people used the correct nomenclature when referring to the use of an exploit rather than an actual bot they'd be taken more seriously.

@Podling & everyone else jumping up and down screaming BOTTERS!: In my experience, I'd have to say that your assertion that non-"botters" (aka, cheaters, blah-de-blah, when what you mean is exploiters who bought an auto-clicking mouse or joystick which is NO different than a hot-key on a keyboard in terms of results) benefit from them is just, well, a bunch of Hooey.

I do not choose to use the exploit. I am a slow clicker. Every click-test I've ever taken puts me in the rank of turtles, snails, and other things that bide their time, not win sprints. Yet somehow I manage to get between 900-1200 fights in per day of the season so I'd have to argue that the purported "botters" of my guild are benefitting from ME, not the other way around. Are we as a community suppposed to punish everyone who's successful just because they're successful?

You don't have to take my word for the incorrect use of the terms. Bots, hacks, cheats, cheat codes, God Mode, and all of the other jargon from the computer and computer gaming industry has been around forever now and while it might change meaning somewhat based on current technologies it still holds true to it's base meaning. The Internet companies who develop, manufacture, and distribute this stuff are the ones who define these words! They know what they are and are not willing to accept happens to their very expensive, very exclusive, proprietary software! If you want them, in this case, Inno, to take you seriously, speak their language, not the one you learned when you were camped out in your living room playing your Nintendo, Sega Genesis, XBox, or PS2. So keep on calling that leapard a cheetah but it's still a leapard under all of those coats of paint y'all keep putting on it's fur.

This subject comes up over and over again not because it's not being "fixed" or that Inno keeps ignoring a perceived problem, but because the people who scream the loudest keep starting back at the beginning, giving absolutely no credit whatsoever to the fixed problems that have already happened due to the developer being able to investigate and act upon reliable reports.

Did it ever once occur to those who are so hopping mad that they might just try to understand the underpinning technology behind the platform? It's like y'all are calling electricians to come into your home and fix your water leaks. Both systems use conduit but dang, that's about all they have in common. :rolleyes:
 
using Programs/bots is Cheating
having LAG is not!
I never have Lag trouble using a PC & there web site is best
A phone And a APP LOL you will have problems
 
Mor-Rioghain said:
That's because the will still show up in force -- more people clicking than usual -- so they can wrap it in minutes and go back to whatever it is they go back to. Been in those guilds and if you are not uber-punctual, you're lucky if you can hit 10 fights per sector. Too many folks, not enough fights for them all.
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Well if only one or 2 guilds showing up in force causes lag, which seems quite likely, that means inno really has a problem and it should have been fixed BEFORE all these other recent changes to the game.
 
The only thing that's going to do anything is to get Kotaku or somebody to do an article about it.

Then that will get the attention of MTG, who will make inno address the problem.
 
honey55 said:
Well if only one or 2 guilds showing up in force causes lag, which seems quite likely, that means inno really has a problem and it should have been fixed BEFORE all these other recent changes to the game.
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INNO has had this same problem for years. Before GBG was even part of the game there was really bad lag when fighting.
 
Dursland said:
The evidence would be the links to bot sites, youtube videos, etc. It's all been laid out in this thread already.
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ROFL. You think that links to bot sites and youtube videos is evidence of cheating in FOE? It's not "evidence" any more than the attached video is evidence of aliens.
 
Ebeondi Asi said:
I wonder exactly where the bottleneck is. Is it in the server? or the gateway into the server?
And does it make business sense to spend a lot to solve a problem that exists for 30 minutes one day a week?
The stupid idea of a few minutes hold does nothing.
One other sort of possible solution (if it is not in the server ...for each World?) would be to have different Worlds one hour off. So some at 8AM Some at 7AM some at 9AM If the bottleneck is the input
As far as GbG sucking? No more than it used to.

My partial solution to GbG suck would be the top prize fragments are filtered down further.. to more Guilds..At least on down to tenth place getting some fragments. And the current prize fragments could be used for any previous top prize. endlessly (with a limit of one of each in city?) . This would at least allow fifth, etc seventh place Guilds to gradually collect a few of the top prize GbG buidings. (which would be really a fair thing to do) And it would improve moral in many Guilds.
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Its not 30 minutes a day for me, it's every time I go to fight. Maybe the first few fights are ok but then I'll just click...click...click on the button and it's totally unresponsive.

Hell one time the lag was SO BAD it took 30 minutes for me to finish a 280 fights sector, racing another guild with one man, neck and neck until the other poor guy got tired of it. It didn't make any sense becuase in that session it was just me and that other guy fighting in the entire map.

Its literally the scene from Ferris Buller, on repeat

 
People have sent in all the evidence mentioned above regarding bots to support before. There are other threads regarding the "obvious" use of bots. If you care to search the threads for them. They have screamed and stomped their feet about it all. And INNO regards none of it as proof.
 
Podling said:
Dominator-X you may not be cheating. I have nothing to go on but your word, and no reason to doubt your word is good. But to deny that GBG cheating is rampant just because *you* aren't doing it is head deep deep in the sand naivety. Cheating is rampant. Bots are rampant. There are videos on youtube that will teach you how to use them and tell you where to get them. The sites selling them can be found with a google search. And the number of players getting banned for using them is infintesimal to non existent. So don't take it as a personal attack when someone complains about botting. It is destroying the game, or at least a major portion of the game, for a lot of players.

Oh and by the way... just because you aren't botting doesn't mean you aren't benefitting from bots. There may be botters in your guild. Those botters contribute to your guilds gbg wins, which benefit you as well.
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I am not an ostrich. I am sure there are cheaters. However, every time someone is faster than them, guild or individual, or whenever there is a ton of lag, the chorus of boo birds sing out about their enemies cheating. The OP is just the next Johnny-Come-Lately.

Saying I benefit is kind of dopey. If what your ilk claim is true about the cheaters causing or heavily contributing to the lag problem, not to mention how "It is destroying the game..." that doesn't benefit me. I would be just as greatly affected (negatively) as the next person. Besides, who is to say they aren't in your guild too? Or every fighting guild for that matter? I guess that makes us all even; no benefit to anyone. Well, save for the bot user.

Besides anecdotal claims, assertions and accusations, I have never actually seen evidence of bots. I have seen the websites advertising them and have had people send links to videos "proving" their use. Very compelling but not verified, confirmed nor bonified factual. Maybe they are being used, maybe they are not. Accusing others of using them without definite proof not only gets old, but it is also unfair. It also diverts attention away from INNO for NOT fixing lag.

Sometimes there are just faster fighters. I am usually in the top 5 in my guild on launch day. That, despite dealing with INNO's lag. I have never used anything to assist me nor anything that manipulates my speed. Nothing. Yet I have been accused of cheating. Several times. INNO even contacted me once and threatened to ban me if I am using anything. (Originally, they suggested that they found something but later relented) That made me wonder... I know they were fishing in my case. If they were so wrong about me, what is to suggest they aren't wrong about widespread bot use as a whole? Nothing. If they were to watch my fighting and think I am cheating, then I have to wonder how much do these bots actually help? I mean, I am fairly fast, but nowhere close to many others. So, if they thought I was using bots, at my speed, to assist my fighting, it makes me wonder how fast the bots really are.

Please INNO, fix the lag. Fix it!
 
The Lady Redneck said:
People have sent in all the evidence mentioned above regarding bots to support before. There are other threads regarding the "obvious" use of bots. If you care to search the threads for them. They have screamed and stomped their feet about it all. And INNO regards none of it as proof.
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None of which passes the litmus test for "evidence", let alone "proof". All has been nothing more than player speculation.
 
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