GBG cheating is not even being hidden anymore

[The Lady Redneck]

People have sent in all the evidence mentioned above regarding bots to support before. There are other threads regarding the "obvious" use of bots. If you care to search the threads for them. They have screamed and stomped their feet about it all. And INNO regards none of it as proof.

 

[Dominator - X]

Dominator-X you may not be cheating. I have nothing to go on but your word, and no reason to doubt your word is good. But to deny that GBG cheating is rampant just because *you* aren't doing it is head deep deep in the sand naivety. Cheating is rampant. Bots are rampant. There are videos on youtube that will teach you how to use them and tell you where to get them. The sites selling them can be found with a google search. And the number of players getting banned for using them is infintesimal to non existent. So don't take it as a personal attack when someone complains about botting. It is destroying the game, or at least a major portion of the game, for a lot of players.

Oh and by the way... just because you aren't botting doesn't mean you aren't benefitting from bots. There may be botters in your guild. Those botters contribute to your guilds gbg wins, which benefit you as well.

I am not an ostrich. I am sure there are cheaters. However, every time someone is faster than them, guild or individual, or whenever there is a ton of lag, the chorus of boo birds sing out about their enemies cheating. The OP is just the next Johnny-Come-Lately.

Saying I benefit is kind of dopey. If what your ilk claim is true about the cheaters causing or heavily contributing to the lag problem, not to mention how "It is destroying the game..." that doesn't benefit me. I would be just as greatly affected (negatively) as the next person. Besides, who is to say they aren't in your guild too? Or every fighting guild for that matter? I guess that makes us all even; no benefit to anyone. Well, save for the bot user.

Besides anecdotal claims, assertions and accusations, I have never actually seen evidence of bots. I have seen the websites advertising them and have had people send links to videos "proving" their use. Very compelling but not verified, confirmed nor bonified factual. Maybe they are being used, maybe they are not. Accusing others of using them without definite proof not only gets old, but it is also unfair. It also diverts attention away from INNO for NOT fixing lag.

Sometimes there are just faster fighters. I am usually in the top 5 in my guild on launch day. That, despite dealing with INNO's lag. I have never used anything to assist me nor anything that manipulates my speed. Nothing. Yet I have been accused of cheating. Several times. INNO even contacted me once and threatened to ban me if I am using anything. (Originally, they suggested that they found something but later relented) That made me wonder... I know they were fishing in my case. If they were so wrong about me, what is to suggest they aren't wrong about widespread bot use as a whole? Nothing. If they were to watch my fighting and think I am cheating, then I have to wonder how much do these bots actually help? I mean, I am fairly fast, but nowhere close to many others. So, if they thought I was using bots, at my speed, to assist my fighting, it makes me wonder how fast the bots really are.

Please INNO, fix the lag. Fix it!

 

[Ebeondi Asi]

Back when We all had to manually replace troops, and the reward pop up was ever present, yeah having a cheat program would have improved things. But the fights have changed! Now, no pop-ups! Replacing troops is a one click speedy thing. And fighting is much faster for everyone.
The advantage to someone using a cheat program is far less effective than in the old days. Plus the fact of a permaban if caught. (though yes top players who were caught and given bans then allowed back are well known )
Legal ways to go even faster are here too. The keyboard actions can be relocated (legally!) so they are easy as can be.
I would guess some players with the realigned keyboard can seem amazingly fast. totally legally
Sadly I'm too stupid to reset my PC keyboard to take advantage. LoL

So I would call complaining about 'bots' in the game at present to be just beating a dead horse endlessly.

 

[Pericles the Lion]

People have sent in all the evidence mentioned above regarding bots to support before. There are other threads regarding the "obvious" use of bots. If you care to search the threads for them. They have screamed and stomped their feet about it all. And INNO regards none of it as proof.

None of which passes the litmus test for "evidence", let alone "proof". All has been nothing more than player speculation.

 

[Podling]

Saying I benefit is kind of dopey. If what your ilk claim is true about the cheaters causing or heavily contributing to the lag problem, not to mention how "It is destroying the game..." that doesn't benefit me. I would be just as greatly affected (negatively) as the next person. Besides, who is to say they aren't in your guild too? Or every fighting guild for that matter? I guess that makes us all even; no benefit to anyone. Well, save for the bot user.

Nothing is to say they aren't in my guild too. I haven't seen anything to make me believe that anyone currently in my guild is cheating but that doesn't meant they aren't. I have, in the past, seen ample evidence of cheating in various guilds I've been in. So yes, I probably benefitted from it as well. That doesn't mean I like it, support it, or want it to continue. Even if it means finishing first in GBG every season, it would still cheapen the win for me, and I suspect for most people who aren't so quick to knee jerk deny the problem.

Besides anecdotal claims, assertions and accusations, I have never actually seen evidence of bots. I have seen the websites advertising them and have had people send links to videos "proving" their use. Very compelling but not verified, confirmed nor bonified factual. Maybe they are being used, maybe they are not. Accusing others of using them without definite proof not only gets old, but it is also unfair. It also diverts attention away from INNO for NOT fixing lag.

You've never seen evidence? Or you've never seen 100% proof? Which is it. The evidence isn't exactly hidden under mutlple layers of obfuscation - most of it is right out in the open. 100% proof from an outside obeserver isn't going to happen - so those of us who do, from time to time, make posts about the bot problem would really like the people (that is to say Inno) who have the actual tools and data to actually do something about it. My guess is the biggest botters are also their biggest cash cows so nothing is going to happen.

But let's assume for a moment that you're right - nobody in the game is cheating. I'll play along with that absurd fantasy for a moment. There are an abundance of easy to find videos and websites that purport to teach players *how* to cheat, and those videos and many of the websites are hosted in places that are very quick to take down content when requested by copywrite holders. Inno seems uninterested in taking even the most basic steps to protect their copywrite and to instill confidence in their playerbase that the game is fair. And if they aren't even willing to do that, then of course they're not going to take the much more involved steps needed to catch and ban the cheaters.

Sometimes there are just faster fighters. I am usually in the top 5 in my guild on launch day. That, despite dealing with INNO's lag. I have never used anything to assist me nor anything that manipulates my speed. Nothing. Yet I have been accused of cheating. Several times. INNO even contacted me once and threatened to ban me if I am using anything. (Originally, they suggested that they found something but later relented) That made me wonder... I know they were fishing in my case. If they were so wrong about me, what is to suggest they aren't wrong about widespread bot use as a whole? Nothing. If they were to watch my fighting and think I am cheating, then I have to wonder how much do these bots actually help? I mean, I am fairly fast, but nowhere close to many others. So, if they thought I was using bots, at my speed, to assist my fighting, it makes me wonder how fast the bots really are.

Please INNO, fix the lag. Fix it!

Yes, sometimes there are just faster fighters. Which is why I haven't accused any one specific person of cheating, just because they're faster than I am. Most people are faster than I am. I'm old, slow, on a mid speed computer with a mundane cable connection. There are a ton of players faster than I am. Most of them aren't cheating and those aren't the people we're talking about.

And yes, the lag in GBG is an issue that needs to be addressed. On that we agree.

 

[Dominator - X]

Nothing is to say they aren't in my guild too. I haven't seen anything to make me believe that anyone currently in my guild is cheating but that doesn't meant they aren't. I have, in the past, seen ample evidence of cheating in various guilds I've been in. So yes, I probably benefitted from it as well. That doesn't mean I like it, support it, or want it to continue. Even if it means finishing first in GBG every season, it would still cheapen the win for me, and I suspect for most people who aren't so quick to knee jerk deny the problem.

You're funny, but terrible at having an honest difference. Nothing knee jerky about not agreeing with your assumptions. And yes, it is ALWAYS the other guild who uses them, and you can prove it, while also proving no one in your current guild is.

But let's assume for a moment that you're right - nobody in the game is cheating. I'll play along with that absurd fantasy for a moment.

Again, with the disingenuousness? That is an assumption and fantasy that you yourself created in your own mind, prompted by your haste and quest for self-righteousness. Absurd is truly the only honest part of that statement. However, the absurdity is on your part. I clearly stated the opposite of such a false and ridiculous accusation. It is right there in the first paragraph in the very post you are responding to, and again later. If you would have bothered to actually read what I posted instead of being quick to knee jerk assume, you would have comprehended that.

And yes, the lag in GBG is an issue that needs to be addressed. On that we agree.

Well, there we are: On common ground.

Please INNO, fix the lag. Fix it!

 

[girlofthepuddle]

Sometimes there are just faster fighters. I am usually in the top 5 in my guild on launch day. That, despite dealing with INNO's lag. I have never used anything to assist me nor anything that manipulates my speed. Nothing. Yet I have been accused of cheating.

I've had people accuse me of spending a lot of money because I finish rivals and get prizes from the special events. They insist it's "not possible" to win without spending money. Yeah, well it is, because I do. Sorry I'm better than you. I spend money sometimes, because I don't expect to get the whole game for free, I mean, I understand how capitalism works, but I only spend on like 2 events a year. That's it. So this whole cheating thing just reeks of sour grapes. I'm sure some people cheat. Who cares? It doesn't affect me. Especially now that fighting is fast for everyone. The only thing that affects me is GBG LAG and that's not from cheaters. It's something Inno needs to fix.

 

[Podling]

You're funny, but terrible at having an honest difference. Nothing knee jerky about not agreeing with your assumptions. And yes, it is ALWAYS the other guild who uses them, and you can prove it, while also proving no one in your current guild is.

You're funny, but apparently can't read since I said pretty much the exact opposite of this.

 

[PianoFil]

There probably are cheaters that play this game or any game. Been like that since the first games ever made. But to prove it, it must pass the litmus test. That said, I don't really care because it does not effect me on how I play my game. I use games to relax and have fun. Not worry about if others are cheating or not. Now if we were gambling on this game with real money, then I'd be concerned about cheating. But I don't believe the GBG lag has anything to do with cheating other than Inno still has not fixed it yet.

 

[Mor-Rioghain]

Well if only one or 2 guilds showing up in force causes lag, which seems quite likely, that means inno really has a problem and it should have been fixed BEFORE all these other recent changes to the game.

Why do people continue to think in such small terms?? Maybe only two guilds "showed up in force" on your map but how many guilds "showed up in force" on your server??? That's akin to saying there's no rush hour because Main Street and 1st Street are light to medium traffic when the other 80% of the city's streets are in gridlock.

 

[Mor-Rioghain]

Back when We all had to manually replace troops, and the reward pop up was ever present, yeah having a cheat program would have improved things. But the fights have changed! Now, no pop-ups! Replacing troops is a one click speedy thing. And fighting is much faster for everyone.
The advantage to someone using a cheat program is far less effective than in the old days. Plus the fact of a permaban if caught. (though yes top players who were caught and given bans then allowed back are well known )
Legal ways to go even faster are here too. The keyboard actions can be relocated (legally!) so they are easy as can be.
I would guess some players with the realigned keyboard can seem amazingly fast. totally legally
Sadly I'm too stupid to reset my PC keyboard to take advantage. LoL

So I would call complaining about 'bots' in the game at present to be just beating a dead horse endlessly.

But a lot of us aren't complaining about bots in the game. We're complaining about the people who complain about bots in the game. I think bots would be less annoying and certainly quieter than those who keep abusing dead ursine.

And @Dominator - X Agree, agree, and agree. And I feel like I just read my life story there - except the caution from Inno part. I guess my click-rate is still too slow to qualify for a warning. Ahhh! Something to aspire to! ROFL

 

[honey55]

Why do people continue to think in such small terms?? Maybe only two guilds "showed up in force" on your map but how many guilds "showed up in force" on your server??? That's akin to saying there's no rush hour because Main Street and 1st Street are light to medium traffic when the other 80% of the city's streets are in gridlock.

Maybe because it's a time of day that isn't as l likely for LOTS to be on. Even Inno admits theres times when one can expect lag. Other times one shouldn't expect lag.

 

[honey55]

I am not saying lag means cheating but it certainly makes gbg a bigger drudgery than it already is. I'm now in my own guild and i got lag. It just wasnt worth the rewards to continue taking the sector. It's not like I'm competing and the rewards aren't even worth the time in silver league anyway

 

[Sir Zeppelin]

Why doesn't Inno have a Bot? Make it have several levels each one a little faster or with different setting's like one to stop 10 hit's from flipping maybe have it stop if you leave gbg or for the higher level ones have it continue while to collect. I keep it's hit rate well below the avg players manual rate. It would be a good way to hit tiles without messing up your arthritic hands.. Just a thought.

 

[Mor-Rioghain]

Maybe because it's a time of day that isn't as l likely for LOTS to be on. Even Inno admits theres times when one can expect lag. Other times one shouldn't expect lag.

I'm definitely not following you then. Are you claiming that 8 a.m. server time is a slow time for the servers?

 

[honey55]

I'm definitely not following you then. Are you claiming that 8 a.m. server time is a slow time for the servers?

I said it was the middle of the day. Of course i expect lag at start up and even every 4 hours on day 1 seems likely.

 

[Mor-Rioghain]

The gbg is definitely bad during opening but I've experienced lag against the top guild in the middle of the day as others in my guild did when there wasn't much activity on the map.

Okay I found it.

That's because the will still show up in force -- more people clicking than usual -- so they can wrap it in minutes and go back to whatever it is they go back to. Been in those guilds and if you are not uber-punctual, you're lucky if you can hit 10 fights per sector. Too many folks, not enough fights for them all.

And my reply immediately after it.

Sectors unlock every 4 hours so it stands to reason that if the initial round is wrapped in <30 minutes, that the "middle of the day" would also be a heavy traffic time and every 4 hours after that. I'm not exactly sure why that's so surprising. One of the primary goals of any hot-stuff, top-notch guild is to maximize fights for all of it's members and the best way to do that is to shave off as much time of the "real clock" as possible for the duration of the season. If that means they leave 7 other guilds in their dust, so be it.

When Inno first introduced the step-lag opening times, i.e., opening in 2 mins, 4 mins, and so on, all they did was drop a big, fat carrot in the noses of those players who had to sit on the sidelines and wait for a countdown they were never consulted about and didn't like at all. We took it as a personal challenge to not only shave off that extra 2, 4, or 6 minutes but to even "beat" it so that we could "gain" back even more time. (I know, negative numbers don't really apply but try to convince 50-65 hopping mad people of that when they're ready and raring to go!). LOL In all seriousness though -- all of this nonsense about "bots-this and bots-that" is really nothing more than the results of a bunch of people who are attracted to a game where "figgerin' stuff out" is how you win and who happen to not mind spending a little extra money on gaming systems that enable them to beat the pants off anyone who tries to take away what they consider theirs.

They don't want to win by cheating.
They want to win because they out-thought you.

 

[honey55]

Okay I found it.

And my reply immediately after it.

Sectors unlock every 4 hours so it stands to reason that if the initial round is wrapped in <30 minutes, that the "middle of the day" would also be a heavy traffic time and every 4 hours after that. I'm not exactly sure why that's so surprising. One of the primary goals of any hot-stuff, top-notch guild is to maximize fights for all of it's members and the best way to do that is to shave off as much time of the "real clock" as possible for the duration of the season. If that means they leave 7 other guilds in their dust, so be it.

When Inno first introduced the step-lag opening times, i.e., opening in 2 mins, 4 mins, and so on, all they did was drop a big, fat carrot in the noses of those players who had to sit on the sidelines and wait for a countdown they were never consulted about and didn't like at all. We took it as a personal challenge to not only shave off that extra 2, 4, or 6 minutes but to even "beat" it so that we could "gain" back even more time. (I know, negative numbers don't really apply but try to convince 50-65 hopping mad people of that when they're ready and raring to go!). LOL In all seriousness though -- all of this nonsense about "bots-this and bots-that" is really nothing more than the results of a bunch of people who are attracted to a game where "figgerin' stuff out" is how you win and who happen to not mind spending a little extra money on gaming systems that enable them to beat the pants off anyone who tries to take away what they consider theirs.

They don't want to win by cheating.
They want to win because they out-thought you.

You dont have to believe me. It was not on day one or a normally busy time of day and if isn't like it hasn't happened more than once. It didn't make sense to the other guild members when it happened at times and it definitely didn't make sense to me when it happens. I just think inno needs to fix the lag problem if they really care that people participate. I'm not much. I joined my own guild. I'm tired of the interruption to my life for a laggy feature whether it is innos fault or bots makes no difference. Between the lag and the lack of tower rewards fit even the number 2 guild and the horrible match ups that i have personally seen bring down good guilds. I'm over gbg

 

[Mor-Rioghain]

You dont have to believe me. It was not on day one or a normally busy time of day and if isn't like it hasn't happened more than once. It didn't make sense to the other guild members when it happened at times and it definitely didn't make sense to me when it happens. I just think inno needs to fix the lag problem if they really care that people participate. I'm not much. I joined my own guild. I'm tired of the interruption to my life for a laggy feature whether it is innos fault or bots makes no difference. Between the lag and the lack of tower rewards fit even the number 2 guild and the horrible match ups that i have personally seen bring down good guilds. I'm over gbg

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you wholeheartedly - with a stipulation. If someone's system doesn't mean at least the minimum specs, it's not going to perform the way that it's "supposed" to and let's be honest with each other, people always think their stuff is better than it is. I can't begin to tell you how many times I've gotten into this or a similar conversation with someone and when data transmission speed comes up their eyes go blank. They think I mean CPU. They think I mean router. They think I mean the man on the moon and maybe even the rings around Saturn but they do not think data transmission speed. Every once in a while when my frustration level is high enough to become alarming to my blood pressure, I throw the work BAUD out there and see if I can get a flicker. Sometimes it works but most of the time it just convinces them I'm a bigger idiot than they think I am. I just go on about my business and know that my $700 Amazon.com laptop special is just fine for me and if it gets a little boggy on opening day or other peak server times, so be it.

 

[PianoFil]

I have not heard BAUD in ages. Let them use the old 300 BAUD unit and then they might get a clue.