GBG cheating is not even being hidden anymore

[Podling]

Saying I benefit is kind of dopey. If what your ilk claim is true about the cheaters causing or heavily contributing to the lag problem, not to mention how "It is destroying the game..." that doesn't benefit me. I would be just as greatly affected (negatively) as the next person. Besides, who is to say they aren't in your guild too? Or every fighting guild for that matter? I guess that makes us all even; no benefit to anyone. Well, save for the bot user.

Nothing is to say they aren't in my guild too. I haven't seen anything to make me believe that anyone currently in my guild is cheating but that doesn't meant they aren't. I have, in the past, seen ample evidence of cheating in various guilds I've been in. So yes, I probably benefitted from it as well. That doesn't mean I like it, support it, or want it to continue. Even if it means finishing first in GBG every season, it would still cheapen the win for me, and I suspect for most people who aren't so quick to knee jerk deny the problem.

Besides anecdotal claims, assertions and accusations, I have never actually seen evidence of bots. I have seen the websites advertising them and have had people send links to videos "proving" their use. Very compelling but not verified, confirmed nor bonified factual. Maybe they are being used, maybe they are not. Accusing others of using them without definite proof not only gets old, but it is also unfair. It also diverts attention away from INNO for NOT fixing lag.

You've never seen evidence? Or you've never seen 100% proof? Which is it. The evidence isn't exactly hidden under mutlple layers of obfuscation - most of it is right out in the open. 100% proof from an outside obeserver isn't going to happen - so those of us who do, from time to time, make posts about the bot problem would really like the people (that is to say Inno) who have the actual tools and data to actually do something about it. My guess is the biggest botters are also their biggest cash cows so nothing is going to happen.

But let's assume for a moment that you're right - nobody in the game is cheating. I'll play along with that absurd fantasy for a moment. There are an abundance of easy to find videos and websites that purport to teach players *how* to cheat, and those videos and many of the websites are hosted in places that are very quick to take down content when requested by copywrite holders. Inno seems uninterested in taking even the most basic steps to protect their copywrite and to instill confidence in their playerbase that the game is fair. And if they aren't even willing to do that, then of course they're not going to take the much more involved steps needed to catch and ban the cheaters.

Sometimes there are just faster fighters. I am usually in the top 5 in my guild on launch day. That, despite dealing with INNO's lag. I have never used anything to assist me nor anything that manipulates my speed. Nothing. Yet I have been accused of cheating. Several times. INNO even contacted me once and threatened to ban me if I am using anything. (Originally, they suggested that they found something but later relented) That made me wonder... I know they were fishing in my case. If they were so wrong about me, what is to suggest they aren't wrong about widespread bot use as a whole? Nothing. If they were to watch my fighting and think I am cheating, then I have to wonder how much do these bots actually help? I mean, I am fairly fast, but nowhere close to many others. So, if they thought I was using bots, at my speed, to assist my fighting, it makes me wonder how fast the bots really are.

Please INNO, fix the lag. Fix it!

Yes, sometimes there are just faster fighters. Which is why I haven't accused any one specific person of cheating, just because they're faster than I am. Most people are faster than I am. I'm old, slow, on a mid speed computer with a mundane cable connection. There are a ton of players faster than I am. Most of them aren't cheating and those aren't the people we're talking about.

And yes, the lag in GBG is an issue that needs to be addressed. On that we agree.

 

[Dominator - X]

Nothing is to say they aren't in my guild too. I haven't seen anything to make me believe that anyone currently in my guild is cheating but that doesn't meant they aren't. I have, in the past, seen ample evidence of cheating in various guilds I've been in. So yes, I probably benefitted from it as well. That doesn't mean I like it, support it, or want it to continue. Even if it means finishing first in GBG every season, it would still cheapen the win for me, and I suspect for most people who aren't so quick to knee jerk deny the problem.

You're funny, but terrible at having an honest difference. Nothing knee jerky about not agreeing with your assumptions. And yes, it is ALWAYS the other guild who uses them, and you can prove it, while also proving no one in your current guild is.

But let's assume for a moment that you're right - nobody in the game is cheating. I'll play along with that absurd fantasy for a moment.

Again, with the disingenuousness? That is an assumption and fantasy that you yourself created in your own mind, prompted by your haste and quest for self-righteousness. Absurd is truly the only honest part of that statement. However, the absurdity is on your part. I clearly stated the opposite of such a false and ridiculous accusation. It is right there in the first paragraph in the very post you are responding to, and again later. If you would have bothered to actually read what I posted instead of being quick to knee jerk assume, you would have comprehended that.

And yes, the lag in GBG is an issue that needs to be addressed. On that we agree.

Well, there we are: On common ground.

Please INNO, fix the lag. Fix it!

 

[girlofthepuddle]

Sometimes there are just faster fighters. I am usually in the top 5 in my guild on launch day. That, despite dealing with INNO's lag. I have never used anything to assist me nor anything that manipulates my speed. Nothing. Yet I have been accused of cheating.

I've had people accuse me of spending a lot of money because I finish rivals and get prizes from the special events. They insist it's "not possible" to win without spending money. Yeah, well it is, because I do. Sorry I'm better than you. I spend money sometimes, because I don't expect to get the whole game for free, I mean, I understand how capitalism works, but I only spend on like 2 events a year. That's it. So this whole cheating thing just reeks of sour grapes. I'm sure some people cheat. Who cares? It doesn't affect me. Especially now that fighting is fast for everyone. The only thing that affects me is GBG LAG and that's not from cheaters. It's something Inno needs to fix.

 

[Podling]

You're funny, but terrible at having an honest difference. Nothing knee jerky about not agreeing with your assumptions. And yes, it is ALWAYS the other guild who uses them, and you can prove it, while also proving no one in your current guild is.

You're funny, but apparently can't read since I said pretty much the exact opposite of this.

 

[PianoFil]

There probably are cheaters that play this game or any game. Been like that since the first games ever made. But to prove it, it must pass the litmus test. That said, I don't really care because it does not effect me on how I play my game. I use games to relax and have fun. Not worry about if others are cheating or not. Now if we were gambling on this game with real money, then I'd be concerned about cheating. But I don't believe the GBG lag has anything to do with cheating other than Inno still has not fixed it yet.

 

[Mor-Rioghain]

Well if only one or 2 guilds showing up in force causes lag, which seems quite likely, that means inno really has a problem and it should have been fixed BEFORE all these other recent changes to the game.

Why do people continue to think in such small terms?? Maybe only two guilds "showed up in force" on your map but how many guilds "showed up in force" on your server??? That's akin to saying there's no rush hour because Main Street and 1st Street are light to medium traffic when the other 80% of the city's streets are in gridlock.

 

[Mor-Rioghain]

Back when We all had to manually replace troops, and the reward pop up was ever present, yeah having a cheat program would have improved things. But the fights have changed! Now, no pop-ups! Replacing troops is a one click speedy thing. And fighting is much faster for everyone.
The advantage to someone using a cheat program is far less effective than in the old days. Plus the fact of a permaban if caught. (though yes top players who were caught and given bans then allowed back are well known )
Legal ways to go even faster are here too. The keyboard actions can be relocated (legally!) so they are easy as can be.
I would guess some players with the realigned keyboard can seem amazingly fast. totally legally
Sadly I'm too stupid to reset my PC keyboard to take advantage. LoL

So I would call complaining about 'bots' in the game at present to be just beating a dead horse endlessly.

But a lot of us aren't complaining about bots in the game. We're complaining about the people who complain about bots in the game. I think bots would be less annoying and certainly quieter than those who keep abusing dead ursine.

And @Dominator - X Agree, agree, and agree. And I feel like I just read my life story there - except the caution from Inno part. I guess my click-rate is still too slow to qualify for a warning. Ahhh! Something to aspire to! ROFL

 

[honey55]

Why do people continue to think in such small terms?? Maybe only two guilds "showed up in force" on your map but how many guilds "showed up in force" on your server??? That's akin to saying there's no rush hour because Main Street and 1st Street are light to medium traffic when the other 80% of the city's streets are in gridlock.

Maybe because it's a time of day that isn't as l likely for LOTS to be on. Even Inno admits theres times when one can expect lag. Other times one shouldn't expect lag.

 

[honey55]

I am not saying lag means cheating but it certainly makes gbg a bigger drudgery than it already is. I'm now in my own guild and i got lag. It just wasnt worth the rewards to continue taking the sector. It's not like I'm competing and the rewards aren't even worth the time in silver league anyway

 

[Sir Zeppelin]

Why doesn't Inno have a Bot? Make it have several levels each one a little faster or with different setting's like one to stop 10 hit's from flipping maybe have it stop if you leave gbg or for the higher level ones have it continue while to collect. I keep it's hit rate well below the avg players manual rate. It would be a good way to hit tiles without messing up your arthritic hands.. Just a thought.

 

[Mor-Rioghain]

Maybe because it's a time of day that isn't as l likely for LOTS to be on. Even Inno admits theres times when one can expect lag. Other times one shouldn't expect lag.

I'm definitely not following you then. Are you claiming that 8 a.m. server time is a slow time for the servers?

 

[honey55]

I'm definitely not following you then. Are you claiming that 8 a.m. server time is a slow time for the servers?

I said it was the middle of the day. Of course i expect lag at start up and even every 4 hours on day 1 seems likely.

 

[Mor-Rioghain]

The gbg is definitely bad during opening but I've experienced lag against the top guild in the middle of the day as others in my guild did when there wasn't much activity on the map.

Okay I found it.

That's because the will still show up in force -- more people clicking than usual -- so they can wrap it in minutes and go back to whatever it is they go back to. Been in those guilds and if you are not uber-punctual, you're lucky if you can hit 10 fights per sector. Too many folks, not enough fights for them all.

And my reply immediately after it.

Sectors unlock every 4 hours so it stands to reason that if the initial round is wrapped in <30 minutes, that the "middle of the day" would also be a heavy traffic time and every 4 hours after that. I'm not exactly sure why that's so surprising. One of the primary goals of any hot-stuff, top-notch guild is to maximize fights for all of it's members and the best way to do that is to shave off as much time of the "real clock" as possible for the duration of the season. If that means they leave 7 other guilds in their dust, so be it.

When Inno first introduced the step-lag opening times, i.e., opening in 2 mins, 4 mins, and so on, all they did was drop a big, fat carrot in the noses of those players who had to sit on the sidelines and wait for a countdown they were never consulted about and didn't like at all. We took it as a personal challenge to not only shave off that extra 2, 4, or 6 minutes but to even "beat" it so that we could "gain" back even more time. (I know, negative numbers don't really apply but try to convince 50-65 hopping mad people of that when they're ready and raring to go!). LOL In all seriousness though -- all of this nonsense about "bots-this and bots-that" is really nothing more than the results of a bunch of people who are attracted to a game where "figgerin' stuff out" is how you win and who happen to not mind spending a little extra money on gaming systems that enable them to beat the pants off anyone who tries to take away what they consider theirs.

They don't want to win by cheating.
They want to win because they out-thought you.

 

[honey55]

Okay I found it.

And my reply immediately after it.

Sectors unlock every 4 hours so it stands to reason that if the initial round is wrapped in <30 minutes, that the "middle of the day" would also be a heavy traffic time and every 4 hours after that. I'm not exactly sure why that's so surprising. One of the primary goals of any hot-stuff, top-notch guild is to maximize fights for all of it's members and the best way to do that is to shave off as much time of the "real clock" as possible for the duration of the season. If that means they leave 7 other guilds in their dust, so be it.

When Inno first introduced the step-lag opening times, i.e., opening in 2 mins, 4 mins, and so on, all they did was drop a big, fat carrot in the noses of those players who had to sit on the sidelines and wait for a countdown they were never consulted about and didn't like at all. We took it as a personal challenge to not only shave off that extra 2, 4, or 6 minutes but to even "beat" it so that we could "gain" back even more time. (I know, negative numbers don't really apply but try to convince 50-65 hopping mad people of that when they're ready and raring to go!). LOL In all seriousness though -- all of this nonsense about "bots-this and bots-that" is really nothing more than the results of a bunch of people who are attracted to a game where "figgerin' stuff out" is how you win and who happen to not mind spending a little extra money on gaming systems that enable them to beat the pants off anyone who tries to take away what they consider theirs.

They don't want to win by cheating.
They want to win because they out-thought you.

You dont have to believe me. It was not on day one or a normally busy time of day and if isn't like it hasn't happened more than once. It didn't make sense to the other guild members when it happened at times and it definitely didn't make sense to me when it happens. I just think inno needs to fix the lag problem if they really care that people participate. I'm not much. I joined my own guild. I'm tired of the interruption to my life for a laggy feature whether it is innos fault or bots makes no difference. Between the lag and the lack of tower rewards fit even the number 2 guild and the horrible match ups that i have personally seen bring down good guilds. I'm over gbg

 

[Mor-Rioghain]

You dont have to believe me. It was not on day one or a normally busy time of day and if isn't like it hasn't happened more than once. It didn't make sense to the other guild members when it happened at times and it definitely didn't make sense to me when it happens. I just think inno needs to fix the lag problem if they really care that people participate. I'm not much. I joined my own guild. I'm tired of the interruption to my life for a laggy feature whether it is innos fault or bots makes no difference. Between the lag and the lack of tower rewards fit even the number 2 guild and the horrible match ups that i have personally seen bring down good guilds. I'm over gbg

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you wholeheartedly - with a stipulation. If someone's system doesn't mean at least the minimum specs, it's not going to perform the way that it's "supposed" to and let's be honest with each other, people always think their stuff is better than it is. I can't begin to tell you how many times I've gotten into this or a similar conversation with someone and when data transmission speed comes up their eyes go blank. They think I mean CPU. They think I mean router. They think I mean the man on the moon and maybe even the rings around Saturn but they do not think data transmission speed. Every once in a while when my frustration level is high enough to become alarming to my blood pressure, I throw the work BAUD out there and see if I can get a flicker. Sometimes it works but most of the time it just convinces them I'm a bigger idiot than they think I am. I just go on about my business and know that my $700 Amazon.com laptop special is just fine for me and if it gets a little boggy on opening day or other peak server times, so be it.

 

[PianoFil]

I have not heard BAUD in ages. Let them use the old 300 BAUD unit and then they might get a clue.

 

[Mor-Rioghain]

I couldn't wait to throw that one out there! lol The funny part really is that I can almost see their faces when I bring it up!

 

[imchristi2]

Here we go again. Lag is real and it sux and INNO is terrible for not fixing it. However, if there is community lag, everyone is experiencing it. Put the blame where it falls; on INNO.

The screaming and whining about "cheaters" only make those not as efficient as fighters feel good. I know for a fact I have never cheated yet I have been accused of such. It gets real old real fast.

INNO has done little to nothing to fix the issue with lag. I don't begrudge this new ownership group for wanting to recoup their investment and make a profit, but people are really getting tired of the launch day lag. It is stupid and zaps the enjoyment of the game. Not to mention the conspiracy theories that crop up, like the OP posited here. Those theories are the fault of INNO for not fixing this issue. They want us all to compete and spend those diamonds, but we are spending more time watching the swords spin instead of actually fighting. BORING.

There are more comments (at least in my guild) right after the launch about how unbearable the lag is, than there are about the actual battle. Is that really what INNO wants? A bunch of unhappy, unsatisfied consumers of their product? Angry players cussing INNO out for the terrible lag rather than high-fiving or... consoling each other over the results? I would think not. But that is what they are doing and that is what they get for such poor management.

Fixing the lag should be their top priority if GBG is as important as they suggest it is.

Fix the lag, INNO! Fix it!

I'm not sure if you're cheating or not, don't really care as long as it's not obvious but today I went up against a team that systematically took tiles and flipped the completely in 20 seconds from that tile opening. I'm fast, really fast when backed up by other guild mates. So fast that we must look pretty impressive from the other side. HOWEVER.... you can easily tell when we're working together because that's what causes the lag. Today, I was pretty stunned to see a team not only beat me, but they straight up slaughtered me and took a tile before I could complete 5 hits. Not due to lag, my system was running beautifully but due to the precision that the opposing team was fighting. They moved at a pace that was so smooth it almost resembled a zipper the way they wrapped it up. Each battle hit and won at the exact same time frame of all the prior battles. One would think they'd take time out to itch their nose or something. Not only did they take that tile in 20 seconds, but they moved on to the one next to it and took it in 20 seconds as well. I watched them seize 3 tiles in 20 seconds (each) with only a few minutes in between waiting for the tile to unlock. Almost as if they some how had access to the tile before it opened. This may not be a simple bot, it almost felt like Inno had been hacked. I don't know how they did it or why anyone would want to win so badly that they were willing to cheat like that. They didn't just want to beat the other teams, they wanted to dominate. How can they feel good about themselves when they didn't win at all. They cheated and it certainly isn't something to be proud of. I've never seen a team take a tile in 20 seconds like that and certainly not three tiles in a row. I don't know if they've hacked the system or if they have super fast auto clickers with everyone playing at once, but to take the tile that fast is just not possible. It's also impossible to beat a team with those type of tools. This type of cheating ruins the game.

Now I'll never know if there are other teams using these type of tools, or if they're legitimately beating us. We're a smaller team, so it's not hard to win against us playing fair. I'm very disappointed because I enjoy playing GbG, but with this garbage going on I'm so disgusted I don't even want to be here anymore. Seriously, who needs to win so bad that they're willing to try to steal the win. It reflects poorly on them, and the game. I do hope you do something to address this as soon as possible. When it's this obvious, it MUST be addressed. Cheaters are like roaches. When you see one, you know there are a lot more scurrying around in the background. I have a lot of pictures showing the times the tiles are were won and they stole them over a period of an hour and a half and most of that time was spent waiting for the tile to unlock from it's earlier win. I believe it's obvious cheating and the lag is not what bothers me. It's the lack of lag. When a bunch of us are playing, you get lag naturally. This team today aggressively took the entire map and it felt like no one was playing. Like they weren't there at all. As if somehow they went in behind the scene and won all the tiles before they were opened and we were just watching the rerun.

 

[Dominator - X]

I'm not sure if you're cheating or not, don't really care as long as it's not obvious but today I went up against a team that systematically took tiles and flipped the completely in 20 seconds from that tile opening. I'm fast, really fast when backed up by other guild mates. So fast that we must look pretty impressive from the other side. HOWEVER.... you can easily tell when we're working together because that's what causes the lag. Today, I was pretty stunned to see a team not only beat me, but they straight up slaughtered me and took a tile before I could complete 5 hits. Not due to lag, my system was running beautifully but due to the precision that the opposing team was fighting. They moved at a pace that was so smooth it almost resembled a zipper the way they wrapped it up. Each battle hit and won at the exact same time frame of all the prior battles. One would think they'd take time out to itch their nose or something. Not only did they take that tile in 20 seconds, but they moved on to the one next to it and took it in 20 seconds as well. I watched them seize 3 tiles in 20 seconds (each) with only a few minutes in between waiting for the tile to unlock. Almost as if they some how had access to the tile before it opened. This may not be a simple bot, it almost felt like Inno had been hacked. I don't know how they did it or why anyone would want to win so badly that they were willing to cheat like that. They didn't just want to beat the other teams, they wanted to dominate. How can they feel good about themselves when they didn't win at all. They cheated and it certainly isn't something to be proud of. I've never seen a team take a tile in 20 seconds like that and certainly not three tiles in a row. I don't know if they've hacked the system or if they have super fast auto clickers with everyone playing at once, but to take the tile that fast is just not possible. It's also impossible to beat a team with those type of tools. This type of cheating ruins the game.

Now I'll never know if there are other teams using these type of tools, or if they're legitimately beating us. We're a smaller team, so it's not hard to win against us playing fair. I'm very disappointed because I enjoy playing GbG, but with this garbage going on I'm so disgusted I don't even want to be here anymore. Seriously, who needs to win so bad that they're willing to try to steal the win. It reflects poorly on them, and the game. I do hope you do something to address this as soon as possible. When it's this obvious, it MUST be addressed. Cheaters are like roaches. When you see one, you know there are a lot more scurrying around in the background. I have a lot of pictures showing the times the tiles are were won and they stole them over a period of an hour and a half and most of that time was spent waiting for the tile to unlock from it's earlier win. I believe it's obvious cheating and the lag is not what bothers me. It's the lack of lag. When a bunch of us are playing, you get lag naturally. This team today aggressively took the entire map and it felt like no one was playing. Like they weren't there at all. As if somehow they went in behind the scene and won all the tiles before they were opened and we were just watching the rerun.

Funny, since lag was of little weight today. Maybe INNO actually tweaked it right, this time. The guild I am part of also dominated the map We were leveling in 20-30 seconds quite often, some quicker. That is how it SHOULD be all the time on launch day. With enough people on, and no (or little) lag, it will move fast. It actually made GBG Fun Again. What proof do you have that anyone was cheating? I agree that cheating is weak. I wish they would be caught (if they are truly cheating) and removed. It cheapens any game. I also wonder what thrill a person would get from cheating, since they really did not earn it. However, you offered no proof of any cheating. You say you have "pictures" of such cheating. Post them here so we can see them for ourselves and scrutinize them. Otherwise, I have seen nothing to prove your accusation.

 

[WillyTwoShoes]

There wouldn't be much of a problem if guild GBG captains had the ability to Diamond Unlock zones. Guilds over run from being under classed or bot cheaters could always diamond unlock a zone for fights on their time schedule. It would make GBG more dynamic, strategic, and nullify the ability of the top few to monopolize the GBG map.