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Falconwing
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It will balance out when you get beat enough to drop down to a League you deserve to be in. You should be thankful you're in a high League. The worst prize in, say Platinum, is better than first place in Gold. Individual rewards are better too. In GbG, it's better to be a minnow in the ocean, than a shark in a pond.
Agent327
Well-Known Member
Link attrition to guild size and top players will group in small guilds and still dominate. It would actually lead to more guilds and kill the low level guilds even faster.
Inno is not in the business of making games, but in the business of making money. I know for a fact that metrics from other games have shown that players in larger guilds spend more money due to increased peer pressure. Inno has discovered that too, and we can't fault them for trying to make a buck!
Every company is. If they were not, you would not have a game.
Ctik
Member
After a bit more digging into a solution, I believe I have found the best one yet. My Opinion.
Currently we have MMR gains and losses:
And Leagues:
0-100 Copper
101-350 Silver
351-650 Gold
651-900 Platinum
901-1000 Diamond
The change needs to happen in either the MMR gains and losses or the point spread for each league, maybe both. The points are too great creating huge jumps up and down in the very small MMR cap of 1000
Examples:
Or
0-150 Copper
151-525 Silver
526-975 Gold
976-1350 Platinum
1351-1500 Diamond
or possibly even higher amounts
I like the reduced gains and losses and it also doesnt mess up anything with current Leagues.
As a response to Stephen The IV: you are talking about one world among 214 in 24 different regions. What is happening on your world is NOT going to be the same on all the other worlds. Where I am, the top 2 guilds play for themselves and ONLY themselves. They do not care about anyone else. They do not care about the life of the rest of the world. Stupid, yes, but try and tell them that.
Currently we have MMR gains and losses:
| Place | 8 Guilds | 7 Guilds | 6 Guilds | 5 Guilds |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1st | +175 | +150 | +125 | +100 |
| 2nd | +125 | +100 | +75 | +50 |
| 3rd | +75 | +50 | +25 | 0 |
| 4th | +25 | 0 | -25 | -50 |
| 5th | -25 | -50 | -75 | -100 |
| 6th | -75 | -100 | -125 | - |
| 7th | -125 | -150 | - | - |
| 8th | -175 | - | - | - |
And Leagues:
0-100 Copper
101-350 Silver
351-650 Gold
651-900 Platinum
901-1000 Diamond
The change needs to happen in either the MMR gains and losses or the point spread for each league, maybe both. The points are too great creating huge jumps up and down in the very small MMR cap of 1000
Examples:
| Place | 8 Guilds | 7 Guilds | 6 Guilds | 5 Guilds |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1st | +35 | +30 | +25 | +20 |
| 2nd | +25 | +20 | +15 | +10 |
| 3rd | +15 | +10 | +5 | 0 |
| 4th | +5 | 0 | -5 | -10 |
| 5th | -5 | -10 | -15 | -20 |
| 6th | -15 | -20 | -25 | - |
| 7th | -25 | -30 | - | - |
| 8th | -35 | - | - | - |
0-150 Copper
151-525 Silver
526-975 Gold
976-1350 Platinum
1351-1500 Diamond
or possibly even higher amounts
I like the reduced gains and losses and it also doesnt mess up anything with current Leagues.
As a response to Stephen The IV: you are talking about one world among 214 in 24 different regions. What is happening on your world is NOT going to be the same on all the other worlds. Where I am, the top 2 guilds play for themselves and ONLY themselves. They do not care about anyone else. They do not care about the life of the rest of the world. Stupid, yes, but try and tell them that.
K--O
Member
I've mentioned this before. The imbalance is less related to the size of your guild and more related to how many fights you can get in. And the number of fights fighters can get in is directly related to your ability to diamond Siege Camps and partner and thus, fight with essentially 0 attrition and team up with another guild to do the dance. I know a player that got 14,000 fights in in one session. That's about 7 sectors per day by themselves. And then once 2 guilds working together take the center they even need less diamonds because they won't delete the siege camps so the partner guild can have a chance at taking them.
Want to stop the imbalance. 1) Get rid of siege camps. 2) Nerf traps. 3) Get rid of cross-world diamond farming (not like Inno makes any money on these). 4) Don't take away any progress of other guilds when a sector is taken. Essentially don't allow fighting without attrition and make partnering less successful by not removing other guilds progress by cutting them off.
Want to stop the imbalance. 1) Get rid of siege camps. 2) Nerf traps. 3) Get rid of cross-world diamond farming (not like Inno makes any money on these). 4) Don't take away any progress of other guilds when a sector is taken. Essentially don't allow fighting without attrition and make partnering less successful by not removing other guilds progress by cutting them off.
Kranyar the Mysterious
Well-Known Member
Gods, this change would be terrible.
If a guild wins first place EVERY season it would take a new guild 40 seasons to get into Diamond League in the best case scenario under this plan if they get lucky and get 8 guilds every time, 68 seasons if they are extremely unlucky and only get 5. That is a year and a half to over two and a half years.
Even existing guilds couldn't advance in a timely manner, and the lower league your guild the quicker you will lose any decent players. This plan would stratify the guilds even more than they are now, since you would need to be in an existing top guild to play in a top league.
This is a pure status quo idea.
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