How do you define sniping?

[SirCrustyKraken]

This has been discussed to death. But I applaud bringing it up again.
"Sniping is the act of forcibly occupying a contribution spot on another player's GB by donating forge points in an amount considered less than the spot is valued"

Yes. If they want to put the correct amount or more, that is not sniping.

 

[SirCrustyKraken]

I disagree. "the correct amount"?? What if you can get 1.92 or 1.95 or even 2.0 for P1and P2 (even P3) the 1.9 is a snipe.
Plus anyone adding some lower value 1.9 when a higher Px is open causes an immediate chance of a higher snipe for another.

The correct amount is always the 'Correct Amount".

 

[Dursland]

Back in the day, before they implemented the fp drop textbox - where you had to add fps at a time. Well I was on desktop loading up this high level alcatraz, something like 2.5k to lock. Doing my quests as I go along of course. Then I'm back on the GB loading next batch of fps when suddenly I see someone get to 500 and pause. I'm like oh damn, mobile player trying to snipe me.

I start clicking as fast as I can, probably faster than I've ever clicked in my life. My fp count is climbing like crazy by the tens, like a gas station pump. The mobile player gets to 1000 then 1500, then 2000. I'm just clicking like mad with him right on my heels. Finally the GB levels.

The dust settles and I look to see what happened. I had secured 1st place by less than 100fps! The guy lost over 1000fps trying to snipe me lol.

 

[Emberguard]

Back in the day, before they implemented the fp drop textbox - where you had to add fps at a time. Well I was on desktop loading up this high level alcatraz, something like 2.5k to lock. Doing my quests as I go along of course. Then I'm back on the GB loading next batch of fps when suddenly I see someone get to 500 and pause. I'm like oh damn, mobile player trying to snipe me.

I start clicking as fast as I can, probably faster than I've ever clicked in my life. My fp count is climbing like crazy by the tens, like a gas station pump. The mobile player gets to 1000 then 1500, then 2000. I'm just clicking like mad with him right on my heels. Finally the GB levels.

The dust settles and I look to see what happened. I had secured 1st place by less than 100fps! The guy lost over 1000fps trying to snipe me lol.

That way of contributing was definitely a lot more fun when you get someone trying to snipe. It’s nice being able to dump the exact amount, especially with the levels going as high as they do nowadays. But it was fun having those sniping races

 

[Baltar]

Sniping is as vital to the health of FOE as shooting another player is vital to the health of a PVP war game. We can discuss it and define it over and over but all we are really doing is beating a dead horse.

 

[CDmark]

Well, been a while since I have done unsolicited donations. SO, I checked neighbors late sun then after hood changed, 2000+ FP profit. Thanks for the thread, it reminded me to do a neighbor sweep.

 

[Single Malt]

So I had a found great write up on sniping but can’t seem to find it
Thought I saved it.
Writer explained many aspects that all make sense.
1st he started out with, it’s a made up word used to define an action used in this game.
Maybe I’ll find it in the forum
It seems to cover many aspects of where and how it’s used.
I’m hoping some one has it and can share it with us all

 

[The Lady Redneck]

The correct amount is always the 'Correct Amount".

Exactly.....For me, the correct amount is the amount I need to add that will lock the spot to give me the best profit possible for that spot

 

[Podling]

Sniping is as vital to the health of FOE as shooting another player is vital to the health of a PVP war game. We can discuss it and define it over and over but all we are really doing is beating a dead horse.

*snort*
No it's not. I don't really have strong feelings one way or the other about sniping. Being an effective sniper is more of a time commitment than I'm interested in making and defending against snipers is easy enough when I actually care.
But your comparison is ludicrous.
Sniping is an accidental part of the game that wasn't even a thing until arcs were added and people started using 1.9 threads. It remains a minor part of the game for some, and a non existent part of the game for a very large number of players. It is not anywhere close to being the core mechanic of the game, the way shooting another player is the core part of a pvp war game is.
If the ability to snipe was curtailed (most likely by taking away the ability to put points on neighbor's buildings) the game would not suffer at all. It might even have a net positive benefit.
But there are a few players who get off on hurting other people that would quit. I don't think most of the rest of us would care if you left.

 

[Johnny B. Goode]

But your comparison is ludicrous.
Sniping is an accidental part of the game that wasn't even a thing until arcs were added and people started using 1.9 threads.

Sorry, but this part of your post is ludicrous. I was heavily into guild leadership in the days before the Arc and 1.9 threads, and I can assure you that sniping was very much a part of those days. Neighbors (and sometimes friends) of players in either guild or group swaps were frequently jumping in and sniping top reward positions. It actually happens less because of Arcs and 1.9 threads, because players with GBs worth sniping are usually very aware of sniping and actively working against it happening on their GBs.
(Oh, and you're also replying to a post from 2 years ago. LOL)

 

[Mor-Rioghain]

Oh, joy. The dead horse is back. OP: you forgot to put another option - the unsolicited fp one.

@Podling seems to have summed up my position on the issue rather well. IMPO, sniping is any contribution of unsolicited FPs and @Johnny B. Goode, you can snort all you want, but your opinion is just that, an opinion. The math doesn't lie.

My beef with snipers has everything to do with the math. Had the developers 'remathed' the gbs when they decided to allow them to be leveled after L10, there'd be no such thing as a 'snipe zone' and a lot of people would be happier and less frazzled and this conversation would probably have never started umpteen years ago.

Here's my math:

• Diamonds = premium currency that is either earned or purchased.
• GBs can be built w/premium currency provided the player has a minimum of one blueprint.
• There is no way to determine by looking at a GB whether it was built by use of this method but the assumtion can be made that it might have been.

Sum: If I construct a GB, with or without the use of premium currency, it's mine. No ifs, ands, or buts. MINE. Therefore, I should have a direct say in whether or not someone is permitted to contribute, not some algorithym designed to favor Friends, Guildies, and Neighbors. I CHOOSE.

• If said Friends, Guildies, and Neighbors need my prints, they can ask.
• If I say, "No," too bad, so sad, suck it up, Cupcake.
• I'm not here to make others' games more pleasurable, profitable, or pleasing. I'm here to make MY game that way.

Having said all of that, "I get it" and don't need umpteen people telling me the truth of the matter. How do I know the "math isn't mathing?" The launch of the 5 newest GBs. There ain't no sweet spot and that's all I needed to support the point I've been making all of these years. Thank you, Inno, for finally confirming this suspicion!

I don't like being told that the value of my spending dollar is in face, less than a dollar. That's what we're told when snipe zones exist. All of this malarkey we've all heard for years about being careless and prevent sniping by only presenting lockable positions is just that -- malarkey.

IMHO, stopping this nonsense would have been achieved by two things and they've already done one of them -- fixed the math. Now all that needs doing is affording the GB owner the right to 'refuse contributions' by player, not group, and the problem of sniping is ancient history. Those who do may cry, whine, and even rage quit but at least the GB owner will have a choice and choice is all I, for one, have ever wanted. Bring on the drop box, Inno. Been waiting to hear my dollar is worth a dollar for years!!

Oh, and for those of you who might be curious, the answer is "Yes. I've blown up GBs with sniper's fps on them. Plenty of times. I'd rather start over than give them a single print. I've machinated 1-fp up leveling parties to knock them from a reward spot if they were foolish enough not to lock themselves into position. I've paid FP bounties to the participants to truly make it worth their time and trouble to assist me. But, when all else fails, I break out the wrecking ball." If I brought a smile to your face or a laugh to your throat for admitting that, you're welcome. Happiness is hard to find these days and I'm glad to bring a bit your way. But I can assure you, no smile was bigger and no laugh louder, than the ones I've had watching their stupid forge points go up in smoke. None. It was pure bliss.

Why? Because that building was MINE.

 

[Johnny B. Goode]

and @Johnny B. Goode, you can snort all you want, but your opinion is just that, an opinion. The math doesn't lie.

First, I didn't "snort". Second, what did I say that you disagree with? I never mentioned math.

 

[HardWire]

if you put unsolicited fps on a GB to secure or to attempt to secure a spot, you've sniped.

 

[Sharmon the Impaler]

If you have cereal for breakfast then you have sniped ! While everyone is just blurting stuff out that means nothing I thought I would have a go at it too.

 

[xivarmy]

If you have cereal for breakfast then you have sniped ! While everyone is just blurting stuff out that means nothing I thought I would have a go at it too.

I should go snipe me some more maple cinnamon frosted flakes then!

 

[PianoFil]

I rarely get sniped. But when I do, if the sniper is one that must have their double dips, I make sure they don't get their double dips for a week. I have gotten some really nasty PMs from snipers over this. But they quit sniping me. Of course the ones that don't care about double dips this does not work on.

 

[Baltar]

*snort*
No it's not. I don't really have strong feelings one way or the other about sniping. Being an effective sniper is more of a time commitment than I'm interested in making and defending against snipers is easy enough when I actually care.
But your comparison is ludicrous.
Sniping is an accidental part of the game that wasn't even a thing until arcs were added and people started using 1.9 threads. It remains a minor part of the game for some, and a non existent part of the game for a very large number of players. It is not anywhere close to being the core mechanic of the game, the way shooting another player is the core part of a pvp war game is.
If the ability to snipe was curtailed (most likely by taking away the ability to put points on neighbor's buildings) the game would not suffer at all. It might even have a net positive benefit.
But there are a few players who get off on hurting other people that would quit. I don't think most of the rest of us would care if you left.

You say you don't have strong feelings about sniping while posting strong feelings about sniping.

 

[Dominator - X]

If you have cereal for breakfast then you have sniped !

Only if the cereal you ate was taken from a sibling's bowl.

 

[The Lady Redneck]

Only if the cereal you ate was taken from a sibling's bowl.

My Hubby does not play this or any other game. But he is aScotsman and if anyone tried sniping his morning porridge, they would need time off from their guild to recover.

 

[TheLastSpokeBender]

My Favorite part. I collect the tears and feed them to my hairless feline named Neefli and she grants me a wish for every 10 sweet and salty Eye sweat collected. I think she works for SAM!!! Gs up for the G thing G thing G