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How do you define sniping?

How many fp dropped to a GB to lock your position mean you sniped it?

  • Sniper drops more fp than required by 1.9, but still make profit thanks to high level Arc they own

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sniper drops less fp than required by 1.9

    Votes: 16 84.2%
  • Sniper drops less fp than reward listed in the GB leveling window

    Votes: 3 15.8%

  • Total voters
    19

Ebeondi Asi

Well-Known Member
I define sniping as something that is completely preventable.
Agree. But there are players who add random Fps for whatever reason, and many others call those Fps sniping, even if the Fps the sniper placed do not lock a position and often can be knocked off rewards, or at least far enough down the owner makes a profit.
I usually try to knock down such placements to lower payouts. If he person cannot be bothered to PM a request and ask politely.. I will not protect them Even when they add 2.0 or more. o_O
 

Ebeondi Asi

Well-Known Member
How do you explain snipe zones then? That's not preventable from a player's py too may Guilds ahve slowov.
It is 'preventable'. Mainly by not opening levels in advance. Also can be avoided by running a group multiple level run. (This is action is called so many different things in different Guilds. Basically getting five friends together to do multiple levels on a GB all at once.
(The one downside is needing a lot of Forge Points in advance to accomplish it.)

Also the fact that snipers keep a lookout for easy targets. Players who they sniped before are high on the list. and some snipers share who is an easy target with friends. Players who never leave GBs open to snipes get ignored in general.*
*the fact many snipers peruse new Hood starts looking for snipes.. That is one time everyone is vulnerable to getting sniped if they were foolish enough to leave a GB open to snipers.

Using an active 1.9x type thread certainly helps avoid sniping. Way too many Guilds have weak slow 1.9 And Players in those Guilds should look for active Global 1.9x to use. Or move to a more active Guild.

I fully support the notion that every snipe that locks the GB and the owner loses FPs due to it... is 100% the owners fault.
 

Mor-Rioghain

Well-Known Member
But the word "prevent" is an absolute. There is no absolute way to stop sniping as long as A) the position is valued at more than the base rate and B) that GBs are snipable at "X" rate above "base" upon unlocking a level. What bothers me about players trying to convince other players in such issues is that they use absolutes but don't want them used on them. People can argue all day long and twice on Sundays that there is no such value to a position on a great building other than what the building owner perceives and I'd argue "they why bother why an Arc? Why is it even necessary or desirable then?"

Sorry, I'm not buying it. When people think such preemptive strikes as leveling parties or teams is an absolute they're simply just justifying a means to an end, imho. There are really only 2 absolutes when it comes to foiling snipers when it comes right down to it. One, never level the building even if that includes destroying it or two, don't level it past the 'snipe zone.' (Of course, this is only true if the gb owner does not consider any unsolicited fps as a snipe).
 

Flynn013

Active Member
Sniping is hardly an issue these days with the amount of FPs cities are producing, almost nobody cares anymore. As a sniper I'm finding many more buildings that are way over primed. I have even received a message asking me to stop contributing to a players GBs because they had too many FPs and nowhere to put them.
 

Baltar

Member
But the word "prevent" is an absolute. There is no absolute way to stop sniping as long as A) the position is valued at more than the base rate and B) that GBs are snipable at "X" rate above "base" upon unlocking a level. What bothers me about players trying to convince other players in such issues is that they use absolutes but don't want them used on them. People can argue all day long and twice on Sundays that there is no such value to a position on a great building other than what the building owner perceives and I'd argue "they why bother why an Arc? Why is it even necessary or desirable then?"

Sorry, I'm not buying it. When people think such preemptive strikes as leveling parties or teams is an absolute they're simply just justifying a means to an end, imho. There are really only 2 absolutes when it comes to foiling snipers when it comes right down to it. One, never level the building even if that includes destroying it or two, don't level it past the 'snipe zone.' (Of course, this is only true if the gb owner does not consider any unsolicited fps as a snipe).
Are we still talking about how to prevent sniping?
 

Ebeondi Asi

Well-Known Member
It's much safer to eat a dead horse.
That depends on how long the horse has been dead.. and if it was chilled or frozen. Though vultures don't seem to care. Lions nor Hyenas mind either. (though there are people who will harvest road kill...)

Also lions and tigers and hyenas would not be bothered about eating a still alive horse ...

Off topic ? :p
 

Ebeondi Asi

Well-Known Member
Let me bring this thread back on topic.

Its much easier to SNIPE a dead horse than an alive one.
Dead horses cannot be sniped! Even if they had an open GB or more, the fact they are dead means the sniper will never get the reward. Because the owner will never level it. (though some have managed to level "left to rot" GBs with the aid of a few others to get back big snipes) .And getting the rewards is the primary reason to snipe.
(an alternative reason is to kill a double dip)
 

Don Juan II

New Member
I have found that players who get sniped some, get sniped more and more. Players who are always careful. rarely get sniped.
And if a player gets sniped once, they should be very careful for a few weeks. since that sniper will be watching, and they probably told their sniping buddies
So if a player get sniped within minutes of opening, Someone was watching for a good reason. LOL
Yeah, I always watch on every hood change. But if you spot a good chance to snipe, snipe it all the way. If you have seen the math gets less sniped, don't be ridiculous.
 

JWJWB

Member
Dead horses cannot be sniped! Even if they had an open GB or more, the fact they are dead means the sniper will never get the reward. Because the owner will never level it. (though some have managed to level "left to rot" GBs with the aid of a few others to get back big snipes) .And getting the rewards is the primary reason to snipe.
(an alternative reason is to kill a double dip)
I meant with a gun.

To lighten the mood, a LONE horse (aka self leveler) is the easiest to snipe.

Also, my guild founder just sniped P2 on my traz for 1 fp. He says it was an "accident" and now he owes me 170 fp. Do I take it or do I let it slide? I mean, he is the guild founder.
 

JWJWB

Member
The obvious answer is if he is not a con-artist he would immediately help you find a way to pay you back.
A lot of Guild founders, (sadly) are con-artists. Like those who only allow Swap threads, and seem they usually (along with a few buddies) win the rewards... The actually run the Guild to make a profit off the suckers who join.
That your Guild leader did not offer to make it right tells me he is a con-artist.

I suggest politely offering him a position (locked) for a P1 that is the standard rate in your Guild, but also ask him to add on the Fps he 'forgot' in a private message. just make the message straight forward. Like " You forgot to do this, so to make it right please add the profit to this position.."
If he refuses or ignores it, you should look for a new Guild. He might even decide to kick you out. Which If I were in your shoes ,I would count as a blessing.
I think you misinterpreted my post. I didn't even notice and he reached out to me saying he owes me. If he hadn't told me, I never would've known about it. Now I feel bad about demanding the fps back because he reached out to me. Honestly, it doesn't really matter to me. I only missed out because he flipped it.

I guess he isn't a con-artist :)
 

Mor-Rioghain

Well-Known Member
I think you misinterpreted my post. I didn't even notice and he reached out to me saying he owes me. If he hadn't told me, I never would've known about it. Now I feel bad about demanding the fps back because he reached out to me. Honestly, it doesn't really matter to me. I only missed out because he flipped it.

I guess he isn't a con-artist :)
He flipped it? Sounds more like what he did was say one thing and do another.

Him to self: "That dude hasn't flipped this GB yet. I'm going to flip it since it will only cost me 1 fp."
Him to you: "Hey, man, I made a mistake and accidently flipped your Traz. Let me reimburse you!" (Warm and fuzzy feelings abound & the guild is still copacetic).
You to him: "That's so cool of you! I didn't even notice until you came forwards. I LIKE being in your guild!"
Him to self: "There's one born every minute."

'Course, it's your world and you know more about it than anyone here does ... but I've see worse than this and they make you walk away smiling and laughing for having the pleasure of knowing them.....
 

JWJWB

Member
He flipped it? Sounds more like what he did was say one thing and do another.

Him to self: "That dude hasn't flipped this GB yet. I'm going to flip it since it will only cost me 1 fp."
Him to you: "Hey, man, I made a mistake and accidently flipped your Traz. Let me reimburse you!" (Warm and fuzzy feelings abound & the guild is still copacetic).
You to him: "That's so cool of you! I didn't even notice until you came forwards. I LIKE being in your guild!"
Him to self: "There's one born every minute."

'Course, it's your world and you know more about it than anyone here does ... but I've see worse than this and they make you walk away smiling and laughing for having the pleasure of knowing them.....
Meh. I shouldn't have brought this to the forum. Honestly, it was no big deal, and he technically saved me 1 fp. Thr traz was going to level 18, so its not like him flipping it was that big off a deal. Also, I actually LIKE being in his guild. Another founder gives 500 SAJM goods if you score over 500 in gbg, SAT goods if you place in the top 8 of your guild, and 1k of each SAT good if you get 4k hits. And in CA, that is a lot of higher age goods.
 

tstar99

Active Member
I am curious how players define sniping for them?
I know some players who consider even option 1 as sniping, just not a harmful one, while others consider sniping as mostly harmful option 2 and always harmful option 3.
Obviously, this does not apply to GB with less fp left to level than usual 1.9 or reward.
sniping is a bs issue. if spots are filled by a small amount they should be open to being hit. there are a lot of people all around that take advantage of soft spots. we all get hit. but the question is whether a real a sniping or actually helping. i think players have to grow up about this concept.
 
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