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[Mor-Rioghain]

Please show me from my post that you quoted where exactly I threw your "whole argument in the trash". I'll wait. I simply corrected your ONE math and TWO factual errors. Briefly and succinctly, which are two other things you're not strong in.

It actually does not include yourself, and the attachment you shared from Support says nothing about you being included in the 140 number (or the 80 number, for that matter.)

Look at this one where I've circled it for you. (I can't speak specifically to the 140 outside of what I've seen on my own friends bar and what was said in this ticket several years ago when it was still 80/60. I think the fact that the manager stated that it was 1-79 is pretty telling, though.

You do realize that the very first line of that message from Support specifically states that they were telling you that it wasn't a bug, right?

YES, Johnny, I realize that. I had to escalate the ticket and that was the reply that I received from a Co-Community Manager after there were several replies from both sides. I didn't see the need for copying all of the tickets as they had to do with the fact that I could not get MORE than 80 no matter how many FRs were sent by me or by others to me. Are you going to tell me that you've never even heard of a situation where a bug (or whatever) mysteriously disappears when you push it and push it and finally escalate it? I know I've heard of it plenty of times and I've experienced in this very case. (Yes, shortly after that last reply my problems w/being able to have 140 TOTAL friends was "solved." I didn't stay mad; I was just happy that it was over and FIXED).

Besides, what the heck does whether or not it was a bug have to do with price of tea in China? My ticket wasn't a perfect example but it was more than enough to illustrate that the city player is "INCLUDED" in the total.

The friends list mechanic was working exactly as intended. Not to mention that the friends list was never restricted to 80 friends. It has been 140 since at least 2015 when I started playing. The number you could invite used to be restricted to 80 max, but you could always accept more friends up to the max of 140, not including yourself.

Would you like me to make a bigger picture of my attachment for you? Maybe the print is more than you can handle. Look at the 2nd circle and just since you and Pericles want to just trash everything I say instead of dealing with my original comment and my following replies ON THE SAME TOPIC.

And just because I already know that you are going to try to smash me about whether or not I "understood," well, here's another attachment of one my previous replies to support on that same ticket. Look at the time/date stamp - it was before Blaze responded to me with the most definitive answer I received (the one I attached earlier).

If y'all are going to smash up my writing - try reading what I actually wrote - ALL of the times not just the one you want to nitpick. Very few writers - and I do mean real writers who've stood the test of time - could withstand such scrutiny. If you'd bother to look at this as a thread and realize that one concept is built upon another from post to post and stop picking apart portions of just one, you might just realize that I was referring back to my original statement.

 

[Mor-Rioghain]

If you have 140 on your friends tab (including you) then you have room for one more. It's time for one of your elusive "I stand corrected" posts.
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And you may well see that once I add about 5 more people (or 6, if you are correct) since I'm at 135 right now. (I must have cleared it recently). I can say this much from recent memory -- I've never seen that 141 before and I've had more than ample experience at having to remove people so that I could either send or receive an invite -- when my bar was at 140.

 

[Johnny B. Goode]

And just because I already know that you are going to try to smash me about whether or not I "understood," well, here's another attachment of one my previous replies to support on that same ticket. Look at the time/date stamp - it was before Blaze responded to me with the most definitive answer I received (the one I attached earlier).

The attachments on both posts are the same except for you circling part of it the second time.

Look at this one where I've circled it for you. (I can't speak specifically to the 140 outside of what I've seen on my own friends bar and what was said in this ticket several years ago when it was still 80/60. I think the fact that the manager stated that it was 1-79 is pretty telling, though.

Yes, it is telling that he said 0-79 (not 1-79) friends. Friends does not include you.

(Yes, shortly after that last reply my problems w/being able to have 140 TOTAL friends was "solved." I didn't stay mad; I was just happy that it was over and FIXED).

So the "bug" had nothing at all to do with whether or not you were included in the 80 or the 140, you just had a bug in your game where you couldn't get over 80 friends period. Nice. Has nothing to do with this discussion, though.

Would you like me to make a bigger picture of my attachment for you? Maybe the print is more than you can handle. Look at the 2nd circle and just since you and Pericles want to just trash everything I say instead of dealing with my original comment and my following replies ON THE SAME TOPIC.

Well, maybe if you'd quit doubling down on your misinformation we'd quit "trashing" everything you say.

 

[Pericles the Lion]

And you may well see that once I add about 5 more people (or 6, if you are correct) since I'm at 135 right now. (I must have cleared it recently). I can say this much from recent memory -- I've never seen that 141 before and I've had more than ample experience at having to remove people so that I could either send or receive an invite -- when my bar was at 140.

Well I guess that we won't be seeing an "I stand corrected" post from you. Just because you haven't seen something does not mean that it does not exist. I just showed you proof positive that the limit on the FL is not 140 as you have been claiming yet you still want to dig in your heels. I'm not surprised.

 

[Mor-Rioghain]

So the "bug" had nothing at all to do with whether or not you were included in the 80 or the 140, you just had a bug in your game where you couldn't get over 80 friends period. Nice. Has nothing to do with this discussion, though.

Actually it had everything to do with why I and at least 20 other people I knew to be trustworthy sent in tickets on this issue. Mt Killmore wasn't the only world affected but that's how many people I knew from that server who had the same problem. IDENTICAL. There was a lot of talk about it back then and I didn't even remember the details of that time until after I reread the entirety of the tickets/replies today but I can assure you that I remember seeing actual copies of submitted tickets by other players and the absolutely crazy replies we were all seeing. I'm not trying to bash Inno here - but there was a pretty major problem and it was hardly only 20 or 40 or even 60. If I recollect correctly, there were a fair number of hotspots that showed up online about the issue on things like Reddit and other places where gaming/computer things are featured. I was actually surprised at how much of it was out there since I rarely visit such sites. It wasn't all that much later in time that the current system of 140 total was introduced rather than the 60/80 split so maybe that was what "fixed" the problem. I neither know nor do I care since all I cared about what that it worked.

My point is that I only showed the example of the ticket because it did state 79. You can either choose to believe your own eyes or not and I don't really care one way or another but I do care about whether or not you want to take an example I've made and then proceed to tell me what it actually meant. You weren't there and you don't know what was said between me and the mods/devs before or after that one reply nor (does it seem) were you even aware such a problem even existed. Fine. Disagree with me or disbelieve me but don't you dare call me a liar. No, you didn't use the word "liar" but that's just your style: expect everyone else to use crackerjack examples with screenshots to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt all the while you yourself use ambiguous language when you don't want to be pinned down to a particular opinion.

What I stated earlier was "Besides, what the heck does whether or not it was a bug have to do with price of tea in China? My ticket wasn't a perfect example but it was more than enough to illustrate that the city player is "INCLUDED" in the total."

If you don't agree with my assessment on the issue, whatever. That doesn't make me wrong nor does it make you right. It just makes us different. You and a few others around here seem to think everything around here must be one or the other when more often than not it's all about opinions and whether or not you like it Mr. Man, those are not wrong. They're based on a lot of things but more often than not they're based on one's experience(s) in a given situation and just because you didn't experience it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I'm tired of trying to explain to you that I was commenting on something completely different and that the example I provided was just to illustrate one tiny part of my original post on that issue. TIRED. You don't want to hear this and maybe I'll even get chat-banned for saying it but here it is: YOU ARE A BULLY. You always have been. You are the worst kind there is -- I've honestly come to believe that you just go around and pick your little fights and spread your ugly little cheer here and there, even liking people's comments and positively repsponding to a few of theirs until they respond positively to you in some way just so you can dive in later like some kind of gore crow and attack when someone's guard is down. You drip on people like you're poison.

I can't believe I actually let myself fall for it this time. A couple of years ago you and your little friends upset me so much I thought I'd actually quit not just the forum but the game itself. I didn't want to be surrounded by such ugly people who seem to live for nothing else but causing others distress all in the almighty cause of being right. I don't care at all about that no matter you may think of me or how I approach such issues because I highly doubt you'd be able to get a fix on me since you are so catastophically bad about getting a fix on anything but the most puerile minutae. (I've seen some of your arguments where you start slinging whole dictionaries and articles at people on some of the most outrageous topics such as whether or not Thanksgiving Day is an American holiday or not). For pages and pages. Crazy. And sure, those other folks are here -- present and accounted for based on their extraneous comments -- to egg you on and then y'all go back to attacking each other when someone like me goes quiet for a while. Go for it. Attack each other until you wind up being chat-banned from each other forever for all I care but just leave me out of your stupid, bullying games.

Other than my comment that will be "y'all were right / wrong" on the 141 issue, I have nothing further to say to you and darned sure don't want to hear anything back from any of you. I'm tired of a bunch of bullies determining whether or not I feel comfortable visiting a forum for a game I enjoy immensely.

JUST LEAVE ME ALONE.

 

[Pericles the Lion]

Actually it had everything to do with why I and at least 20 other people I knew to be trustworthy sent in tickets on this issue. Mt Killmore wasn't the only world affected but that's how many people I knew from that server who had the same problem. IDENTICAL. There was a lot of talk about it back then and I didn't even remember the details of that time until after I reread the entirety of the tickets/replies today but I can assure you that I remember seeing actual copies of submitted tickets by other players and the absolutely crazy replies we were all seeing. I'm not trying to bash Inno here - but there was a pretty major problem and it was hardly only 20 or 40 or even 60. If I recollect correctly, there were a fair number of hotspots that showed up online about the issue on things like Reddit and other places where gaming/computer things are featured. I was actually surprised at how much of it was out there since I rarely visit such sites. It wasn't all that much later in time that the current system of 140 total was introduced rather than the 60/80 split so maybe that was what "fixed" the problem. I neither know nor do I care since all I cared about what that it worked.

My point is that I only showed the example of the ticket because it did state 79. You can either choose to believe your own eyes or not and I don't really care one way or another but I do care about whether or not you want to take an example I've made and then proceed to tell me what it actually meant. You weren't there and you don't know what was said between me and the mods/devs before or after that one reply nor (does it seem) were you even aware such a problem even existed. Fine. Disagree with me or disbelieve me but don't you dare call me a liar. No, you didn't use the word "liar" but that's just your style: expect everyone else to use crackerjack examples with screenshots to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt all the while you yourself use ambiguous language when you don't want to be pinned down to a particular opinion.

What I stated earlier was "Besides, what the heck does whether or not it was a bug have to do with price of tea in China? My ticket wasn't a perfect example but it was more than enough to illustrate that the city player is "INCLUDED" in the total."

If you don't agree with my assessment on the issue, whatever. That doesn't make me wrong nor does it make you right. It just makes us different. You and a few others around here seem to think everything around here must be one or the other when more often than not it's all about opinions and whether or not you like it Mr. Man, those are not wrong. They're based on a lot of things but more often than not they're based on one's experience(s) in a given situation and just because you didn't experience it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I'm tired of trying to explain to you that I was commenting on something completely different and that the example I provided was just to illustrate one tiny part of my original post on that issue. TIRED. You don't want to hear this and maybe I'll even get chat-banned for saying it but here it is: YOU ARE A BULLY. You always have been. You are the worst kind there is -- I've honestly come to believe that you just go around and pick your little fights and spread your ugly little cheer here and there, even liking people's comments and positively repsponding to a few of theirs until they respond positively to you in some way just so you can dive in later like some kind of gore crow and attack when someone's guard is down. You drip on people like you're poison.

I can't believe I actually let myself fall for it this time. A couple of years ago you and your little friends upset me so much I thought I'd actually quit not just the forum but the game itself. I didn't want to be surrounded by such ugly people who seem to live for nothing else but causing others distress all in the almighty cause of being right. I don't care at all about that no matter you may think of me or how I approach such issues because I highly doubt you'd be able to get a fix on me since you are so catastophically bad about getting a fix on anything but the most puerile minutae. (I've seen some of your arguments where you start slinging whole dictionaries and articles at people on some of the most outrageous topics such as whether or not Thanksgiving Day is an American holiday or not). For pages and pages. Crazy. And sure, those other folks are here -- present and accounted for based on their extraneous comments -- to egg you on and then y'all go back to attacking each other when someone like me goes quiet for a while. Go for it. Attack each other until you wind up being chat-banned from each other forever for all I care but just leave me out of your stupid, bullying games.

Other than my comment that will be "y'all were right / wrong" on the 141 issue, I have nothing further to say to you and darned sure don't want to hear anything back from any of you. I'm tired of a bunch of bullies determining whether or not I feel comfortable visiting a forum for a game I enjoy immensely.

JUST LEAVE ME ALONE.

All that I can think of to say is do you remember the discussion regarding tangent and tirade? Well, you have gone well beyond tangents and tirades and have crossed over into bizzarro tantrum land. All of this drama over whether, or not, we can have 140 friends (which we can ofc).

 

[Johnny B. Goode]

My point is that I only showed the example of the ticket because it did state 79. You can either choose to believe your own eyes or not and I don't really care one way or another but I do care about whether or not you want to take an example I've made and then proceed to tell me what it actually meant.

Well, since you clearly didn't understand what Support was telling you, someone needs to clarify it for you. You're still not understanding what he said.

 

[Dominator - X]

Sorry for being late to the party. However, 141 is not the actual cap for a friends list. I don't think there has ever been a cap on invited players, but I know 141 is not the list cap.

 

[Johnny B. Goode]

Sorry for being late to the party. However, 141 is not the actual cap for a friends list. I don't think there has ever been a cap on invited players, but I know 141 is not the list cap.

Late and also wrong. There was a cap on invited players for several years after I started playing in 2015. Once your friends list reached 80 you could not send out any more invites, although you could still accept until your list reached 140 (not including you). However, one of the little appreciated facts about how this mechanic worked is that the total on your list for this purpose includes both players who were accepted friends and players who were invited but had not yet accepted or declined the invitation. For example, if you had 75 friends, you could send out 5 invites but no more. Now, of course, that is no longer the case, as you can invite up to the 140 limit, although invites sent but not accepted/rejected will still count against that number. Also, the list cap is 140, but since you are always listed along with them, then the total number in that tab of the Social Bar can reach 141, as @Pericles the Lion demonstrated with his screenshot.

 

[Dominator - X]

Late and also wrong. There was a cap on invited players for several years after I started playing in 2015. Once your friends list reached 80 you could not send out any more invites, although you could still accept until your list reached 140 (not including you). However, one of the little appreciated facts about how this mechanic worked is that the total on your list for this purpose includes both players who were accepted friends and players who were invited but had not yet accepted or declined the invitation. For example, if you had 75 friends, you could send out 5 invites but no more. Now, of course, that is no longer the case, as you can invite up to the 140 limit, although invites sent but not accepted/rejected will still count against that number. Also, the list cap is 140, but since you are always listed along with them, then the total number in that tab of the Social Bar can reach 141, as @Pericles the Lion demonstrated with his screenshot.

Sorry, but you are wrong. I was precise in my wording for a reason. I know well how INNO changed how the list works. I have had to explain the changes to several people who kept asking me to send them an invite, thinking they were unable, long after the changes were made. I usually resorted to telling them to take a chance and see what happens if they send me one. To their shock, it worked. So yeah, I am fully in the know of how it changed.

Where you are wrong is the list limit. It is not 140 or 141 when you include invited players. Argue all you want, but you will still be incorrect.
Sorry.

 

[Johnny B. Goode]

Sorry, but you are wrong. I was precise in my wording for a reason. I know well how INNO changed how the list works. I have had to explain the changes to several people who kept asking me to send them an invite, thinking they were unable, long after the changes were made. I usually resorted to telling them to take a chance and see what happens if they send me one. To their shock, it worked. So yeah, I am fully in the know of how it changed.

Apparently not. There is still the hard cap of 140 on friends/invites. I know this because I have run up against it several times in the last couple of years. When you reach 140 friends/invites you can no longer send out invites, and you probably can't accept invites either at that point. Used to be you could not send out invites after reaching 80 friends/invites. That's what they changed.

Where you are wrong is the list limit. It is not 140 or 141 when you include invited players. Argue all you want, but you will still be incorrect.
Sorry.

No need to argue. You can be wrong all you want. I know this for a fact. Try it. Start sending out invites. At the point where your friends + invites sent reaches 140 you won't be able to send any more. I guarantee it.

 

[Johnny B. Goode]

Proof that there is a limit to how many friends + outstanding invites you can have:

I started with 80 on my friends list, that's the number I saw when I looked at the Aid All tab on the Social Bar. However, 81 was the number of avatars in my Friends tab, due to me being included. I then went to the Global Rankings and started inviting players. After reaching this "maximum Friends limit" I went back to the Friends tab and manually counted how many avatars were in the list. There were the 141. The original 80, me, and 60 invited players.

Don't trust me. Do the test yourself. I absolutely guarantee you will have the same results. You can argue with opinions, but you can't argue with facts.

 

[Dominator - X]

Proof that there is a limit to how many friends + outstanding invites you can have:
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I started with 80 on my friends list, that's the number I saw when I looked at the Aid All tab on the Social Bar. However, 81 was the number of avatars in my Friends tab, due to me being included. I then went to the Global Rankings and started inviting players. After reaching this "maximum Friends limit" I went back to the Friends tab and manually counted how many avatars were in the list. There were the 141. The original 80, me, and 60 invited players.

Don't trust me. Do the test yourself. I absolutely guarantee you will have the same results. You can argue with opinions, but you can't argue with facts.

Tell you what: Once you educate yourself on Invited Players, get back to me. I have been very clear for a reason. No need to apologize; I know it isn't in your capacity. I do hope you and those who keep upvoting you on this issue enjoy crow, however.

 

[Pericles the Lion]

Sorry for being late to the party. However, 141 is not the actual cap for a friends list. I don't think there has ever been a cap on invited players, but I know 141 is not the list cap.

Yes, you were very "precise" with your wording. Precise and wrong. I currently have 141 players on my friends list. 140 friends and myself. If I attempt to invite another player I get the pop-up message pasted below. Clearly, there is a limit to the number of players that can be invited and the limit is 140 (141 counting the list owner).

EDIT: Now, I suppose that you may be simply playing games. To be "precise", the limit on invited friends is a whole number between 0 and 140. The actual amount depends on the number of friend requests that the list owner has previously accepted. If, for example, a list owner has accepted 50 friend requests the limit of invites is 90. If they have previously accepted 90 friend requests then the limit on invites becomes 50. Regardless, this does not change the fact that the upper limit on the number of invitations that can be sent out is 140.

 

[Johnny B. Goode]

Tell you what: Once you educate yourself on Invited Players, get back to me. I have been very clear for a reason. No need to apologize; I know it isn't in your capacity. I do hope you and those who keep upvoting you on this issue enjoy crow, however.

So educate me. Quit just using the phrase and pretending that you know something we don't. What is your definition of "Invited Players" that allows you to allegedly skirt the limit? And please attach proof of your position. I've done that, you have not.

 

[Johnny B. Goode]

Where you are wrong is the list limit. It is not 140 or 141 when you include invited players.

Here is your wording, and here is where you are wrong. There is a hard cap of 140 that includes both friends and invited players. 141 if you are looking at the Social Bar friends tab that includes yourself. You can't deny the facts of the game unless you provide proof. Where's your proof?

 

[Mor-Rioghain]

@Johnny B. Goode @Pericles the Lion @Ebeondi Asi @Dominator - X

I cannot find the thread/post that I made regarding the cap on the friends list, etc., so searching brought me back here - and I think this might be it. Okay, I finally managed to get my answer, sort of, and it seems to most closely resemble what Pericles said: I have 139 friends on my Friends bar (including myself) with 2 outgoing requests. So, I'm getting 141. I've never seen that before you posted yours the other day. The 140 v 141 doesn't tie in with what I remember of the game, what I remember of the other parts of the service ticket I turned in, nor anything else I've ever heard of until this conversation cropped up BUT, be that as it may, it wouldn't be the first time that something's changed that never got an official announcement! LOL

Bottom line - I stand corrected on current affairs. Evidently you are not included in the 140 allowable friends so my math was off by 3. One of "me" for each type of person who can get/give aid: friends, neighbors, guildies. Either way, I'm glad that it's all said and one and hoping no one reads my prior post - which I still can't find - thinking that 140 is self-inclusive.

 

[GypsyWoman]

Tell you what: Once you educate yourself on Invited Players, get back to me. I have been very clear for a reason. No need to apologize; I know it isn't in your capacity. I do hope you and those who keep upvoting you on this issue enjoy crow, however.

Why so nasty, Dominator? No call for rudeness!

 

[Dominator - X]

Why so nasty, Dominator? No call for rudeness!

Why so ignorant, GypsyWoman? No call for speaking about, and to, which you do not know!

 

[GypsyWoman]

So educate me. Quit just using the phrase and pretending that you know something we don't. What is your definition of "Invited Players" that allows you to allegedly skirt the limit? And please attach proof of your position. I've done that, you have not.

When I first started the game, I could only invite 80 friends but could have a total of 140 (excluding myself) friends. That meant that 60 people had to invite me. Later, Inno changed it so that we could invite 140 friends.,