Graviton
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You can do the same in the next Q&A.
I'm not the one questioning the veracity of his statement.
You can do the same in the next Q&A.
I'm not the one questioning the veracity of his statement.
What the hell are you talking about? You don't think he told the whole truth, it's on you to prove it. I'm taking the man at his word, I don't have to prove squat.No, but you are claiming he is aware that it can be done without bots, so it is up to you to show he is.
What the hell are you talking about? You don't think he told the whole truth, it's on you to prove it. I'm taking the man at his word, I don't have to prove squat.
Ok, if the devs have no idea how the game evolved, or better said how the players play the game, shouldn't we all look for another game?Then why would he say it is a huge number you would not reach by playing by yourself when he knows that a large number of players claim to be doing it? Doesn't that seem strange to you? Admitting it is about bots and immediately sparking the discussion again by saying the number can not be reached by playing by yourself? Inno has already stated it can be reached, but not many players are doing that. Why would he contradict that?
In a previous Q&A he also stated that all people working on FoE also play the game. I believe him in that as well, but I do think he has another idea of "playng the game" than most on the forum have.
Same with GBG. "battlegrounds is not a feature that is supposed to be played all day long" and "battlegrounds is a feature you play on the side, there is a distinct limit" Those are comments made by a dev during a Q&A. Does that look like they have any idea how fanatic the players actually are?
Could a human sans a bot abort 2000 quests in a single day? Yes. Why one would sit there and do nothing but spending an hour to abort 2000 quests one after the other is way beyond me.You have gone and made me curious. For kicks I just tried it with a stop watch. Knowing the order and exactly when and where the abort button would appear (moves for the double collection quest and UBQ), it took me 28 seconds to about 16 quests, 1.75 seconds per abort. At that rate, doing nothing, collecting nothing, except clicking the abort button as fast as possible for 58 minutes to abort 2000 quests.
Precursor. I did not see the Q&A so the below is based on this thread's posts and the previous (now locked) 2000 abort post.
Could a human sans a bot abort 2000 quests in a single day? Yes. Why one would sit there and do nothing but spending an hour to abort 2000 quests one after the other is way beyond me.
No, several posters stated that they did hit the limit. No one disputed them. No one disputed them. The players play the game...obviously. Does Kurt play the game? We don't know. We do know that the assumption that the developers see all the data about game play is completely contradicted by his statement. Completely. Are you trying to imply that the players who specifically stated that they were hitting the abort limit were lying? If they're not lying, why does Kurt say that players without bots won't hit it? And if he's clearly clueless about that, why should we believe that he knows what he's talking about at all? A developer that is that out of touch with actual game play simply isn't to be trusted in anything he says in reference to the game. Maybe he's saying that it's about bots in an attempt to placate the players who reach the limit without bots. After the fact PR spin. Nope, I'm not taking his offhand statement about bots and "repeating missions" as any kind of proof of anything. Period.Several posters stated that a single player could hit the limit w/o bots. Kurt just stated otherwise. Thus, their posts dispute his claim.
I think he told the whole truth. I just think he was not aware of the number of players reaching the abort limit without a bot. You seem to believe he is, so ask him.
Nope, I'm not taking his offhand statement about bots and "repeating missions" as any kind of proof of anything. Period.
Sure, when it's simply punctuation for a sentence. When it's punctuation for a point, it needs to be typed out. I'm surprised you don't know that.You know you don't have to type out "period", right? There's, like, a key for it.
Probably for the same reason you care so much about whether we believe Kurt or not.Why do you guys care so much what I believe?
What you did say was that the fact that people were hitting the abort limit without bots was hotly disputed here on the Forum...and it wasn't. As I pointed out, no one here disputed the many players who said that they hit the abort limit. The only person that has said that no one hits it without bots is Kurt. And there is no reason to believe him. After all, if no one was hitting the abort limit, why were so many of them passionately speaking up against it? And stating clearly that it was affecting them directly. They even gave time frames for hitting it. Time frames that were too long for them to be using bots. It just boggles the mind that you think we should take Kurt's word on this. Or that there's even a chance that he's right about the whole thing. I mean, think about it. He has an agenda to accomplish with the Q&As, and the first priority isn't necessarily speaking the truth. It's advertising for the game and its features, pure and simple. And part of that is spinning "facts", either to make Inno look good, or to placate some or all players. It makes much more sense that he's spinning the abort limit after the fact in an attempt to placate those affected by it. Either that, or Inno really is an accidentally successful business staffed by people pretty much incompetent at everything other than the basics of coding/designing a game. And intermittently incompetent at that, too.I'm not calling anybody a liar.
I would dare say he does play. I see no reason to believe otherwise. However what one person believes is possible based on their own experience is different from what another person believes to be possible. You can see this in every argument on who knows how to play the game or what makes a ”good” player or what makes a top performer outperform everyone elseDoes Kurt play the game? We don't know. We do know that the assumption that the developers see all the data about game play is completely contradicted by his statement.
That seems like a contradictory statement.Time frames that were too long for them to be using bots.
Sure, when it's simply punctuation for a sentence. When it's punctuation for a point, it needs to be typed out. I'm surprised you don't know that.
Probably for the same reason you care so much about whether we believe Kurt or not.
What you did say was that the fact that people were hitting the abort limit without bots was hotly disputed here on the Forum...and it wasn't.
Maybe he does. My point, however, is that we don't know that for sure, but we do know for sure that the players who claim to have hit the limit do play. So their word about the abort limit impact on actual players is more likely to be accurate without having more evidence to back up Kurt's statement.I would dare say he does play.
Well, if players are hitting the abort limit, and Kurt says they aren't, that means either the players are lying (unlikely) or the devs don't see the data that says players do hit the limit. Not to mention the fact that this statement means that the long, long discussion on this subject didn't get "passed up the line" at all. Another example of poor communication and ignorance of players' actual reaction to game changes at Inno.I don’t see how his statement contradicts the assumption that devs see all the data though.
Yes, apparently quite a few if the evidence of the thread on this subject is any indication.I’m sure there’d be some people who legit have the time, patience and motivation to hit the RQ limit.
How about the fact that several players said they knew how long it took to hit the limit? What sense would it make to use a bot and then sit there waiting for it to hit the limit? Now that seems contradictory.But I don’t see “time frames that were too long” as something that’d prove a bot wasn’t used.
Amazing how many people involved in a long discussion seem to think it's always the other person unreasonably extending it.Whatever, man. You already made your point and yet here you are, still going, for no reason.
Also peoples habits would have changed over the last year just from Covid changing the dynamics of how often you’re at home. So the data is going to look different within the last year and you’d need to be able to differentiate between changing real life habits and botsOne point may be they are looking at the wrong data.
Amazing how many people involved in a long discussion seem to think it's always the other person unreasonably extending it.
No need to respond to this, by the way, I'm done with this thread.
I would dare say he does play. I see no reason to believe otherwise.
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However what one person believes is possible based on their own experience is different from what another person believes to be possible ...
I don’t see how his statement contradicts the assumption that devs see all the data though. You can read data and come to an entirely different conclusion from what someone else reading the exact same data would come to. You’re going to get outliers in that data and then you have to conclude what those outliers are.
How about you quit crying and get over it.Nice try at being an Inno fanboi, but Kurt peed in the punchbowl today.
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I like that Kurt guy. He tells it like it is. (Although he may not realize how small a number his huge high number really is.)
it means that @Algona has been wrong all this time
So one random comment from Kurt negates all the written communications from Inno? They were pretty clear they knew this would affect some players.
No need to respond to this, by the way, I'm done with this thread.