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Syria
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DeletedUser3422
The US is fighting Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Assad is fighting Al Qaeda in Syria, so bombing Assad will help Al Qaeda. Remind me again why we are even contemplating attacking Syria.
DeletedUser
On CNN, one of the US politicians said: The US does not have a dog in this fight.
He explained that whatever side won is not friendly to US interests. It may be time to let one of the other 'superpowers' start cleaning up the world's messes.
He explained that whatever side won is not friendly to US interests. It may be time to let one of the other 'superpowers' start cleaning up the world's messes.
DeletedUser
I believe the US should step back from its proposed aggression. Bombing Damascus will not solve anything. No good comes from violent means. US involvement will be about Iran and Israel and making money (war is good for business) rather than dead babies. Peaceful and political efforts must be used. Seeing as the US has the means of spying into everyone's business and collating everyone's info then maybe they can just hack in and shut down all the bank accounts in Syria. Better than killing more people. I reckon Al Qaeda, as an organisation, doesn't really exist it's just a name for people who are fed up with the west's interference.
DeletedUser4844
No opposing point of view here.
Not much of a debate when everyone agrees with each other.
Not much of a debate when everyone agrees with each other.
DeletedUser
I would happily throw in a dissenting opinion if you believe one is necessary. Although I would have to spend a tremendous amount of time wading through political speeches to find some. Even then, I am not sure I could find enough that hold water -International norms, slippery slope, and all that.
For those who watch Duck Dynasty, I am reminded of a quote from Jase, "You can talk any redneck into a challenge. That's why so many rednecks die in strange ways."
For those who watch Duck Dynasty, I am reminded of a quote from Jase, "You can talk any redneck into a challenge. That's why so many rednecks die in strange ways."
DeletedUser7052
the videos just released today are quite horrible!
DeletedUser
How much can we ignore?
We, as North Americans are blessed to not have this kind of war in our faces each day. It is easy for us to sit in front of our computers talking about what our governments and soldiers should be doing in other countries. Now imagine yourself on the ground, a Syrian, only 4 years of age. While your sibling chokes and dies beside you, your parents are already gone, bombed to death and you lay in the rubble. Now write your opinion based as that child, or their grandparent maybe. Our leaders need to think about the innocent victims. WHY?? Because we are above turning our heads at the plight of humans anywhere...or we sure as hell should be. I am not a soldier, I will not have to fight there. I don't want to wait until they bring more of it here though either. Unless you are willing to have your supermarkets and theaters bombed and filled with chemical death, the battle needs to be fought at it's source. Unless you can honestly hold your head up while babies are being slaughtered, then you have to speak out and SUPPORT action against the Syrian government before anyone else dies. Before they send those weapons at anyone else, anywhere, ever. This isn't the questions about GWB and weapons of mass destruction...it's fact at this point. Time for action is passing. And to make things even more sickening, if it was a porn studio that was hit and the porn stars killed, THE UN WOULD ALREADY BE IN THERE AND THE PROBLEM SOLVED. Our global priorities are messed up badly while we sit and watch more die. If not the UN, the USA, Canada, Britain, France , then who? When? What are we willing to ignore before we care?
I would not want to be the person to make the call and I do not have the answers as to how to proceed but I know we can't just sit and watch either.
I can't watch videos of people dying from that poison and not feel the need to help
worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/07/20377556-white-house-showed-gruesome-videos-to-senators-in-case-for-syria-strike?lite
We, as North Americans are blessed to not have this kind of war in our faces each day. It is easy for us to sit in front of our computers talking about what our governments and soldiers should be doing in other countries. Now imagine yourself on the ground, a Syrian, only 4 years of age. While your sibling chokes and dies beside you, your parents are already gone, bombed to death and you lay in the rubble. Now write your opinion based as that child, or their grandparent maybe. Our leaders need to think about the innocent victims. WHY?? Because we are above turning our heads at the plight of humans anywhere...or we sure as hell should be. I am not a soldier, I will not have to fight there. I don't want to wait until they bring more of it here though either. Unless you are willing to have your supermarkets and theaters bombed and filled with chemical death, the battle needs to be fought at it's source. Unless you can honestly hold your head up while babies are being slaughtered, then you have to speak out and SUPPORT action against the Syrian government before anyone else dies. Before they send those weapons at anyone else, anywhere, ever. This isn't the questions about GWB and weapons of mass destruction...it's fact at this point. Time for action is passing. And to make things even more sickening, if it was a porn studio that was hit and the porn stars killed, THE UN WOULD ALREADY BE IN THERE AND THE PROBLEM SOLVED. Our global priorities are messed up badly while we sit and watch more die. If not the UN, the USA, Canada, Britain, France , then who? When? What are we willing to ignore before we care?
I would not want to be the person to make the call and I do not have the answers as to how to proceed but I know we can't just sit and watch either.
I can't watch videos of people dying from that poison and not feel the need to help
worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/07/20377556-white-house-showed-gruesome-videos-to-senators-in-case-for-syria-strike?lite
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*Arturis*
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With a 16 Trillions and growing in debt, a sluggish economy, we the American people don't want another war in that region, especially it could spark up into a regional and world conflict, remember how WW1 happened? It is not an easy decision to attack Syrian, why President Obama had to go to Congress and get their approval after the Britain backing out when he could go attack Syria without their approval a week ago? Why is it the whole world outrage about that video when only the US doing the dirty works, what happen to the collation of the willing? If you sit back and think for a bit to find out who will make a profit out of this coming war, you would think twice before supporting it.
DeletedUser4844
You know, up till this point I honestly thought you were making a case against US government intervention. You see, every horror you have outlined here is very likely to result from exactly the sort of bombing campaign the US now proposes to do. I was kind of surprised to see that you thought you were making a case for government intervention.
Fighting for peace is like you-know-what for virginity. It's a crazy idea. Lots of total innocents will be hurt, and, if we're lucky, we may get a few soldiers on the side of the Syrian government. Assad clearly isn't going to care either way, if he did gas his own people. Note that the US government has not only refused to release what information they have on who perpetrated this, but are actively involved in covering it up by forcing UN investigators to leave the area, just like Iraq. Negotiations may not be of any help at all here, but I guarantee you that if the US invades Syria (and, let's face it, if we bomb them for several days there is no way any Syrian will see it as anything other then an invasion, how would you feel if China started bombing Kentucky for a few days?), it will only result in far more bloodshed and disaster all around.
Oh, and before anyone brings in that lame old "ohhhh...appeasment, Chamberlain, Hitler" trope, let me just say that World War 2 was absolutely a just war and Hitler was a madman who might well have succeeded in taking over the entire world if we had not stepped in. I agree that appeasement was totally wrong...in that one instance. In every other way in all of history (far as I can tell) appeasement has just been what people called it when they thought they could go to war and make a huge profit off other people's deaths. I'll give you world war 2, but that's it. Whenever people propose some kind of military action on foreign soil they either have no clue what war is really like, or they're not risking their own necks and they don't care what it costs others.
I say we need a new constitutional amendment. No actions on foreign soil ever unless the goals to be achieved, the likelihood of achieving them, and the costs expected (in lives, time, injuries, material, and money) are clearly spelled out to the American people, proof is provided of the necessity, and all of America gets to vote in a referendum where the number of voters must be at least half the average of the last 3 presidential elections. If, after the American people do decide the war is a good idea after all, and it is later discovered that there were lies committed by those who laid out the goals, probability of success, and costs of the war, then those who lied (if proven in a court of law) are to be immediately killed.
War is never fought over just causes, war is fought in order to make rich men richer.
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DeletedUser3422
With the last president we needed to put ourselves in the shoes of dead soldier’s families and innocent civilians killed. With this president we need to put ourselves in the shoes of the freedom fighter’s families. When you wonder how people could follow mass murdering genocidal leaders, just look to the people doing gymnastics to adapt their views to justify intervention. The bottom line is the president of the United States embarrassed himself and he wants to soothe his ego. Many politicians are doing whatever they need to do to stay in power. Mean while middleclass Americans will be left holding the bag which is getting very heavy and there are less of us.
If you believe in equal treatment regardless of gender, sexual orientation, race or ethnicity, you do not want to support either side in Syria. As for the use of chemical weapons, when people you love are killed the weapon used is irrelevant.
If you believe in equal treatment regardless of gender, sexual orientation, race or ethnicity, you do not want to support either side in Syria. As for the use of chemical weapons, when people you love are killed the weapon used is irrelevant.
DeletedUser7052
the latest out of Washington DC where I live near is that a coalition of 11 countries is now formed. The President will address the nation on Tues eve. Expect a limited military response soon thereafter. Syria has warned of a cyber attack here, amongst other things. This is what our local news is saying. fyi.
DeletedUser
People often buy into the warmongers propaganda thinking that, somehow, aggression in any form will redress the balance or form a defence. Gwalchmai refers to appeasement and states that WWII offered a just war. Even with that war, it was probably avoidable. Hitler was funded by Henry Ford (he of the motor car). Ford ploughed profits into Hitlers cause so that when the 1929 crash came (banks again) Hitler could strengthen his position on the back of a world recession and the rest is history. Leaders and rich individuals with specific interests in an area will interfere supporting their favourite factions with money, arms, and the means to create chaos with violence according to their prejudices. We repeatedly see the results. In order to destabilise and reap their rewards and achieve their aims. It is seldom about just causes and it's important to question their rhetoric. We can help with humanitarian aid, particularly the millions of refugees on the borders. Why were the UN inspectors ordered out of Syria before they were able to complete their investigations? The exact same thing happened in Iraq and we know the results there. It all smells.
DeletedUser7052
Perhaps there is a way out now, if Russia can convince Syria to UN inspectors. Bill Clinton is involved in this one too. Good Luck Bill!