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Total Ban on Abortion

Discussion in 'Debate Hall' started by mamboking053, May 17, 2019.

  1. Emberguard

    Emberguard Well-Known Member

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    It's not concerning for it to be a catch 22 when its obviously designed to be either catch 22 or trap in a debate


    I know I already replied to this before but thought popped into my head

    Have you looked at all the warning labels on products? Like peanuts have "warning contains peanuts". Chainsaws warn not to put hands and genitals into moving saw. Clothes say not to put next to heaters.

    The labels are there because people use things against the products design and when they do they get hurt or die.

    She might not intend for her body to function, but it's working precisely the way it was designed to.
     
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  2. Godly Luke

    Godly Luke Well-Known Member

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    IMO
    Abortion should only be used in case of rape, molesting, and positions when the mother's health is at risk.
    It shouldn't be abused by a couple.
     
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  3. Alskah

    Alskah Active Member

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    I'm glad you've at least caught on that I quit addressing your posts. And there's a reason for that. It's not d/t how insightful they are, I assure you. You twist every comment made to suit whatever incoherent/disorganized point you're trying to make at that moment. I am unable to have a discussion with a person like that. And I'll be reverting back to that stance at this time.
     
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  4. Emberguard

    Emberguard Well-Known Member

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    Just a thought, if the fires that bad you'll only be able to save one.... What's the chances the fire would have already rendered the embryos dead from the rising temperature?

    And if you take the embryos out of the freezer do you know how to keep them viable once you save them or did you just kill both the 10k and the 5-year dead?

    The scenario was obviously designed the same as if there was an elderly and a child in danger. How do you pick which one to save? It's fine for situations where everyone's lives are in absolute danger to decide which is the best to save. However saving one over the other in a life or death situation doesn't excuse killing one when their life was never in danger.
     
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  5. Alskah

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    Personally I would not consider this an example of a catch 22. A catch 22 would be 2 children in the given example... Would there be a confliction on which to choose in the originally described situation? I don't think there would be any hesitation for any person. The child every time. And I don't consider it a trap. There are many examples of given situations through this whole thread. I saw this and really felt like it made an interesting point.
     
  6. Emberguard

    Emberguard Well-Known Member

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    I take it the example is meant to assume those embryos are fertilized?
     
  7. lukerduke the wise

    lukerduke the wise Member

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    First of all, what about people with disabilities that need other people to take care of them. You could consider them parasitic, since they take money away from the guardian or whatever. Plus, there is a difference between forcing all boys to get a vasectomy and banning abortions. 1, abortions stop life from occurring , so banning them=more human life. Second of all, again adoption means that a woman doesn't have to take care of the baby after it is born. I have a very problematic moral issue with your statement that embryos are parasitic. What is they point when a baby isn't? Is it still when it's breastfeeding? How about until the child moves out of the house? This is a serious dilemma with your statement
     
  8. Alskah

    Alskah Active Member

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    It doesn't specify, but I would imagine fertilized embryos. But the scenario specifies that you are able to save one or the other. So which ever is chosen, the child or embryos, will survive.
     
  9. Hootengoben

    Hootengoben Well-Known Member

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    I've paid for two abortions, and helped countless women through the hardship, including walking them through a picket line.
    I know in my heart I've saved more lives than I've lost.
    A woman's right to agency should not even be a discussion in this country, and it's not up for discussion now.
    As long as I live and breath, a woman won't lose her rights. Period.
    I'm not here trying to change the minds of a few men, I don't need to. I have the power.
    A few red states want to flaunt to their base? Go for it. It won't stick.
    You. Will. Never. Take. My. Rights. Away.
     
  10. lukerduke the wise

    lukerduke the wise Member

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    The problem is it normally is not her life at stake. Her convenience is not equal to her well-being.
     
  11. RazorbackPirate

    RazorbackPirate Well-Known Member

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    Works for me. I feel the same way. You're just making it up as you go, hoping some of it sticks. How's that working out?
     
  12. RazorbackPirate

    RazorbackPirate Well-Known Member

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    While I can't agree with your stance, I can agree with and admire your compassion to help to those in need.
    You'll still have the right to vote for your masters, but I do believe Roe v Wade will be overturned in the next 20 years. If it is, the issue of abortion returns to the individual States. If overturned, it'll have nothing to do with abortion, it will have to do with Roe v Wade being a bad judicial ruling. Then it will be up to the people of each state to decide what they want to do.

    The Alabama law may be the thing that makes it happen. Sooner or later it goes to the Supreme Court, who knows how it'll play out when it does?
     
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  13. Hootengoben

    Hootengoben Well-Known Member

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    And while I can't agree with you in principal, it is comforting to find that you have an open heart and an intelligible opinion.
    Life is precious, and I would gladly give mine to save another. I have the feeling that if you had seen what I've seen, you might feel the same way.
    Safe, legal and rare is the goal. Education and compassion are the keys to the latter, but safe and legal are important components.
    I have a girlfriend that's a product of rape, and she's vehemently anti-abortion. Her mom is her hero, and I understand.
    My heart breaks because it doesn't always work out like that
     
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  14. yee yee boy

    yee yee boy Active Member

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    abortion is murder that is that
     
  15. yee yee boy

    yee yee boy Active Member

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    look it up think about it
     

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  16. Hootengoben

    Hootengoben Well-Known Member

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    The name checks out.
    Another redneck that likes to think they can control women.
    Got no womb and no education, but you've got an opinion.
    Good for you little man. You just keep on driving that General Lee till you hit the ocean
    [​IMG]
     
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  17. yee yee boy

    yee yee boy Active Member

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    if its not killing babies then what is it, did that baby make u have sex?
     
  18. Alskah

    Alskah Active Member

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    you've missed the boat on this debate, just hang it up and move on to one of the numerous other threads you've started.
     
  19. yee yee boy

    yee yee boy Active Member

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    no i will fight for the babies rights
     
  20. Stephen Longshanks

    Stephen Longshanks Forum Moderator

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    While @yee yee boy is wrong on many things, he is not wrong on this. The "pro-choice" (a label that is completely disingenuous, by the way) crowd has absolutely no basis in fact on which to claim that abortion is not killing a baby. They like to claim that if abortions are made illegal again then women will sometimes die from illegal abortions, but they ignore (or worse yet, try to argue away) the fact that every single time there is an abortion, a baby dies. The only possible moral justification for an abortion is if the mother's life (not "mental health") is in direct danger and the only way to save it is an abortion. Rape and incest are situations where there may be grounds for compromise, too, but to allow abortions as a "choice" that someone can make just because they now decide it is inconvenient to have a child should be morally repugnant to anyone with a heart and a brain.
     

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