Vicious cycle again (aiding)

[Sanguineboss]

Once again not seeing enough aiding in my city. All the buildings that need aid to boost resources arent getting attention. But i always daily aid others so why not reciprocate?? Wish i had an endless supply of SA and MSA kits but i dont. Maybe ill just aid my guildies only.

Without creating same thread to address issue in yorkton, ill just mention that here. Reciprocating! Daily effort is all it takes

 

[xivarmy]

Once again not seeing enough aiding in my city. All the buildings that need aid to boost resources arent getting attention. But i always daily aid others so why not reciprocate?? Wish i had an endless supply of SA and MSA kits but i dont. Maybe ill just aid my guildies only.

Without creating same thread to address issue in yorkton, ill just mention that here. Reciprocating! Daily effort is all it takes

"Daily effort is all it takes" I could do with less daily effort!

Personally it's easy for me to forget to hit the aid-all button these days. And if that button didn't exist, or was hidden behind an ad (mobile), I probably wouldn't aid outside of a quest making me.

Endless supply of mass self-aid kits is almost a necessity anyways these days. It's quite possible to need more than the ~200 aids a day you could *maybe* count on if you had a full curated guild and friends list. And this event's a good opportunity to get it! 15 nutcracker guardhouses or 10 joyous nutcracker guardhouses and you're done. Never need to worry about aid again. Freedom to pick your friends for some reason other than their aiding discipline, and to include as many teeny-tiny buildings that need aid as you want.

 

[Johnny B. Goode]

Between events I try to aid in my active city (or cities) every day. However, during events (and especially now that you have the DC and Rivals tied in) I don't aid/Tavern sit generally unless some event quest/DC task/Rival task calls for it. Too easy to get caught without Taverns to sit in or people to aid if you do it every day like normal. Especially given that DC and Rivals are time-sensitive. Not ideal for those counting on aids/Tavern sits, but that's the state of the game during events nowadays.

 

[Sanguineboss]

Will aid guildies only for a temp period. Its been ongoing for a while now. I wont hide the fact Iam a bit frustrated

 

[Ebeondi Asi]

Once again not seeing enough aiding in my city. All the buildings that need aid to boost resources arent getting attention. But i always daily aid others so why not reciprocate?? Wish i had an endless supply of SA and MSA kits but i dont. Maybe ill just aid my guildies only.

Without creating same thread to address issue in yorkton, ill just mention that here. Reciprocating! Daily effort is all it takes

Thais not rue. For large Cities with a lot of smaller bits the total aid from Guild Hood and even 140 Friends is not enough.
I used to manage in SAJM only due to having only very large buildings.
One I got the daily Aid all system going, I was able to change over to really a lot of smaller vuildings giving more stuff.
So it makes sense to make the effort to get the Event buildings that make aid all bits

 

[Dominator - X]

Once again not seeing enough aiding in my city. All the buildings that need aid to boost resources arent getting attention. But i always daily aid others so why not reciprocate?? Wish i had an endless supply of SA and MSA kits but i dont. Maybe ill just aid my guildies only.

Without creating same thread to address issue in yorkton, ill just mention that here. Reciprocating! Daily effort is all it takes

I counted over 300 buildings in my SAAB city a few months ago. That is a tall order to assume all would be aided every day. Just not enough Friends, Guild Mates and Neighbors even if they all aided every day. And our cities are only getting bigger with all the expansions available these days.

You are better off acquiring enough buildings to produce enough MSA frags to equal at least 1 MSA a day. It is nice to have more than the minimum for those Finish All days, but the minimum is a necessary. With an SV in both my cities, I have a motivation to aid all 3 lists. I only started aiding neighbors since planting an SV. Those neighbors without an SV have little motivation to help aid you, unless you fight them and plunder them daily. But that is a whole nother topic altogether. So, again, you would be better off pursuing a self-aid solution rather than hoping or expecting enough members to do it for you.

 

[Xenosaur]

@Sanguineboss - You have to firmly take matters into your own hands. Don't rely on others - just build a simple strategy to secure at least 30 mass self-aid kit fragments each day, to unfetter yourself from this problem - and have everything you own and need aided - Done for you EACH DAY.

This is YEAR 3 of this problem and solutions are available. For 2 years in a row, Inno made Ted and Ketebo buildings the focus of the Winter Event, and their spawn, Nutcracker guardhouses as part of the 2022 and 2023 Winter event, and they still are available this year, too!

Just forget about who's not doing what fairly - it's just REALITY that others don't embrace the same responsibility you do - so solve it yourself.

 

[Sanguineboss]

Thank you for input homies

 

[The Lady Redneck]

I have no problems at all in any world I play in when it comes to aiding. whether in my FL, Hood and Guild. I do make the effort to keep my FL full and current. Aiding is something that each guild member just does as part of their daily game. As for my hood, I attack it all, for points (never plunder) And I snipe as many as I can. Some do the same back, but since we got the Aid All function, the majority of them just aid me. But even so, my main world city and Diamond farm city are both to big and have too many buildings to be covered by all the aid I get. I HAVE to use an Aid All kit every day before I do my city collection to make sure everything is aided. (I also use a FASP) My other city on Beta is not as large so the aid I get from Hood, Guild and FL more than covers it.

Because of this thread I have asked friends if they are having problems with getting aided, and none of them have. But they all said that it is down to the regular and on going effort they put in to it to keep everything current, that makes it work.

 

[Sanguineboss]

In yorkton i only have one SAK... While in EN i have over 600 SAKs lmao... I have begun the daily process of aiding guildies only.

 

[Mor-Rioghain]

Once my main topped 250 items in it, I stopped counting whether or not my friends, neighbors, or guildies bothered to aid me. All I see are taverns, plundering opps for quests, and gbs I can contribute to in my guild. If they go red and I happen to notice, I give 'em a shot at returning or just weed the list so I can go back to 139 or thereabouts. I don't even bother with top-end friends on my often unvisited farms. I keep between 15-30 just to make quest/task requirements. I didn't even realize that this was even a 'thing' anymore.

 

[WillyTwoShoes]

By definition they are not a friend if they are not doing the friendly thing and aiding/tavern sitting. If all you want is acquaintances then that's another matter and your not worried about friends. Before I became self aiding and started paying serious attention to city polivation I was amazed at how may "friends" never, ever, (even once) aided my city. It took me a couple of months and some effort (as well as ongoing maintenance) before I got a decent list of friends I can count on too aid and be aided by.

One thing I did notice in the process, dropping dead weight players almost never got a response or note from them asking why. It took me a while to realize that they didn't even notice because they never aid anyone unless it's time to fulfill a quest line. It's not personal it's about surrounding yourself with players who help you as much as you help them. The rest are just dead weight and don't deserve a second thought when it comes to dropping them.
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[xivarmy]

One thing I did notice in the process, dropping dead weight players almost never got a response or note from them asking why. It took me a while to realize that they didn't even notice because they never aid anyone unless it's time to fulfill a quest line. It's not personal it's about surrounding yourself with players who help you as much as you help them. The rest are just dead weight and don't deserve a second thought when it comes to dropping them.
.

Why would you send someone a message asking why? There's dozens of different reasons someone might've dropped you from, among others:

- need the space to invite someone else
- not keeping up on a variety of different standards
- they're quitting the game and doing the courteous thing and dropping their friends so their friends don't have to figure out to drop them.
- one of your guildmates offended them and they're dropping anyone associated with them

And it really doesn't matter why! Chances are you didn't know them that well in the first place, and can adequately replace them with some other random person.

 

[Pericles the Lion]

In yorkton i only have one SAK... While in EN i have over 600 SAKs lmao... I have begun the daily process of aiding guildies only.

A solution that does not solve the problem.

 

[Mor-Rioghain]

In today's game there really is only one answer to this question and that's been answered over and over again: MSAKs. That's it. All the rest of the friends' brouhaha is a holdover from the old days and they have Friends Taverns which give you something else a lot of players still want: Tavern Silver. I'm with the folks who say that if it weren't for quest requirements or tasks, I'd not bother to have any at all.

 

[Ironrooster]

Even though I generate enough mass self aid kits, I aid every day for my seed vaults (1 in each city).
Except for quests, I do return Tavern Sits 2-3 times a week. Once Sit All goes live I'll do that daily as well. I do it after the daily challenge drops.

 

[Xenosaur]

Much of the game's (and people's) gradual descent to do NOTHING to aid was because they steadfastly started to refuse to manually click 140 friends, and all guild-mates (when guilds were steadfastly numbering in the 70's...) and yes, even hoodies too (that you weren't going to attack).

Every day.

People said - screw that - I don't have time for that. As game player counts crested and then began to plummet, this started to have a tangible outcome/effect in FoE gaming.

Additionally, adding insult to injury - aiding problem continued their descent for active players, as Inno added micro-buildings (1x1 or 2x1/1x2 sized, etc) into the game and people planted many of them. Each one needed an aid, and that put into question what was the RIGHT aiding priority algorithm for the game, since it seemed to break the aiding priority established and previously expected.

There are topics here where a number of us "saw the handwriting" on the wall in regard to aiding apathy 3 years ago, because an unaided city breaks the design of every city in this game for productivity and production.

Daily FP and goods collection, in many cases, dropped off precipitously - with no quick way to fix it.

So with the advent of micro-buildings, the problem is exacerbated. There is no doubt about this - big city or small, it's up to you to do it yourself, even now.

The total count of city items in a modern city can, in some cases, eclipse the sum of ALL inflowing aids, requiring you to AID YOURSELF with 1 MSAK/day.

Yes Inno added "auto-aid" so it's a 1 button click to engage each other grouping (of the 3...) with your aid help. This made it easier to help others, and slowed the general abandonment of aiding in the game.

But that won't help you, especially if you routinely exceed 200 or more aid needs in your city.

Just get onboard with the MASS SELF AID daily dose train.... it works wonders.

 

[PianoFil]

Since I use MSAK everyday I could care less if a friend aids or not. I am more interested in having friends that uses the external 1.9's.

 

[Ebeondi Asi]

Inno should double up aids from every Friend and Guild member and Hood. That would go a long way toward solving the aid problem. Could leave the rewards the same. just for each aid do two items.

 

[Pericles the Lion]

Inno should double up aids from every Friend and Guild member and Hood. That would go a long way toward solving the aid problem. Could leave the rewards the same. just for each aid do two items.

Why? The solution to getting enough aid has been thoroughly described. It's up to players to implement it. INNO doesn't need to do anything more. There was a time when collecting enough Nutcrackers was problematic but that time has long passed. If players do not want to use 50 squares for 10 Nutcrackers then they will likely continue to have problems with getting enough aid.