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[Lannister the Rich]

Accepting consequences imposed by others is accountability not responsibility. Abiding by the rules others make is compliance and not responsibility.

You have to distinguish the origin of personal responsibility (from within) ... It doesn’t come from what others or society require. In fact, you don’t ever have to come into contact with another human being to be personally responsible.

Thanks for trying to understand though ...

You need to cool it with attacking my ability to understand. Now go back and read my edit.

 

[RazorbackPirate]

What do the Clintons possibly have to gain from whatever you’re alluding to...that they killed Epstein? Please. That’s absurd. And while we’re talking about Bill, what about Epstein’s other friend ol’ Donald Trump? Shouldn’t he be in jail too?

While there is ample evidence that they ran in the same small social circles years ago, there's no evidence that Donald Trump ever flew on Epstein's plane, or ever visited his island. However, there is documented evidence that 14 years ago when Epstein was a member of Mar-A-Lago Trump canceled his membership and barred him from the club for life after being told that Epstein had made sexual advances towards another member's 14 year old daughter.

It is also documented that when the DoJ was investigating the charges that resulted in Epstein's sweetheart deal in Palm Beach, that the FBI sent messages to all of those in the New York and Palm Beach social scene asking them to please call with any information. Donald Trump was the only person to call them back and gave the investigators as much time as they wanted, answering any questions they asked.

Oh, and whose administration was the 2009 sweetheart deal given to Epstein under? Obarry. Who was his Secretary of State at the time? Ding, ding, ding, Hillary! I'm sure the deal had nothing to do with her being married to pedophile Bill who was caught, once again, quite literally, with his pants down. Part of the plea deal was full immunity to all of Epstein's co-conspirators. Was Bill among them? "Move along folks, nothing to see here. Thanks for playing at home."

The Trump administration is also the first administration to make shutting down child sex trafficking a major focus. One of President Trump's first acts was to sign an executive order allowing the DoJ to seize assets from those involved in human trafficking so that it could not be used to mount a defense, as has been the standard in drug trafficking cases for years. Within the first year of talking office the DoJ was finally able to successfully shut down 'Back Page' a website notorious for child sex and child pornography trafficking. It's the Trump DoJ that re-arrested Epstein on child sex trafficking charges and it's pretty clear one or more of his co-conspirators did him in, and with Epstein's death, the case dies.

Research Clinton Body Count and Arkancide. Seems that knowing stuff about Bill or Hillary is a leading predictor of impending suicide, or a plane crash, or car crash, or hit and run accident, etc. No doubt. People with dirt on the Clintons have a way of expiring early, but just at the right time. For the Clintons.

Prince Andrew is also involved with Epstein, maybe it was the royal family's private cleanup crew? Kevin Spacey too, he flew on on some flights with Bill, maybe it was the same person who 'hit and ran' over his Massachusetts accuser to make his pedophile sexual abuse case disappear? You think it's anything for these folks to toss 10 mil at the problem to make it/him disappear? Dead men tell no tales after all.

 

[DeletedUser36572]

You need to cool it with attacking my ability to understand. Now go back and read my edit.

Personal responsibility comes from one’s self and is put on one’s self. It has nothing to do with what anyone may think anyone else deserves.

Sorry you felt like you were being attacked.

 

[Lannister the Rich]

Personal responsibility comes from one’s self and is put on one’s self. It has nothing to do with what anyone may think anyone else deserves.

The onus is on the person in public office to accept the responsibility of their actions. I understand it’s not a requirement of personal responsibility. What I’m trying to say is that people who do not take this personal responsibility do not deserve to be in office and, I guess, in an ideal world, only those that deserve to be in office would be.

 

[RazorbackPirate]

Personal Responsibility is accepting the consequences of your actions. Many of the most recent sexual assault allegations had two things in common: 1. The perp was conservative 2. And take no responsibility for their actions even after being found guilty. Anyone in the public eye has a social obligation to own up to their mistakes, and in that regard, it should be their personal responsibility to do so by the sheer want to be in public office. Otherwise, they do not deserve it.

Please document points 1 and 2. What are you saying, many, or most? examples. Name names.

 

[Lannister the Rich]

Please document points 1 and 2. What are you saying, many, or most? examples. Name names.

I said many didn’t I? Roy Moore, Bill O’Reilly, George H. W. Bush, James Rosen...

 

[DeletedUser36572]

The onus is on the person in public office to accept the responsibility of their actions. I understand it’s not a requirement of personal responsibility. What I’m trying to say is that people who do not take this personal responsibility do not deserve to be in office and, I guess, in an ideal world, only those that deserve to be in office would be.

It really depends on who you decide to grant the almighty power to determine who gets to determine who deserves what by who’s standards.

Personal responsibility (for me) is a lot easier to manage ... Much like the fact honor and integrity are gifts you give yourself ... And respect is something you cannot really demand, but only desire to earn.

Most people get confused about how things work when it becomes easier to ridicule or chastise others ... Than truly take personal responsibility and address their own shortcomings to their own standards.

Never try to be better than someone else ... Try to be better than yourself.

 

[plinker2]

As one that has worn a badge and carried a gun for the state I live in, I can truly say there are many different degrees of personal responsibility and betrayal of public trust. Most of this is carried by the person that is sometimes affected by events outside his control or a situation that is presented in which either action or inaction carry and may result in terrible outcomes. Also, mental illness has a major factor in many of the things that happen in society. Also, believe it or not, there are people in the world that are purely evil and will never change.

 

[Freshmeboy]

@AdrianHarbinger ...Great tune, Aerosmith in their prime from their self titled album..Good choice for 2nd amendment house parties ....

 

[RazorbackPirate]

I said many didn’t I? Roy Moore, Bill O’Reilly, George H. W. Bush, James Rosen...

Les Moonves, Harvey Wienstein, BIll Clinton, Anthony Wiener, Jeffrey Epstein ... as I said, dirt bags on both sides of the false D/R paradigm. No Left/Right, no Dems/Reps, no Lib/Con, there's Right/Wrong, Good/Evil. They can hide behind whatever label they want but evil men do evil deeds and with them there is no compromise.

 

[Lannister the Rich]

Les Moonves, Harvey Wienstein, BIll Clinton, Anthony Wiener, Jeffrey Epstein ... as I said, dirt bags on both sides of the false D/R paradigm. No Left/Right, no Dems/Reps, no Lib/Con, there's Right/Wrong, Good/Evil. They can hide behind whatever label they want but evil men do evil deeds and with them there is no compromise.

You still never answered my moral dilemma. Anyway, I’m not arguing that liberals are any better than conservatives. In fact, I’ve already said that bipartisanship has ruined America which went completely unnoticed (twice, I might add). Democrats and Republicans both fight for their own agenda regardless if it’s actually what’s best for America or not. There are some absolutes in right and wrong that we’ve known since at least Moses. However, not everything is as clear cut to everyone. What’s right for you may not be right for me or others.

 

[RazorbackPirate]

You still never answered my moral dilemma. Anyway, I’m not arguing that liberals are any better than conservatives. In fact, I’ve already said that bipartisanship has ruined America which went completely unnoticed (twice, I might add). Democrats and Republicans both fight for their own agenda regardless if it’s actually what’s best for America or not. There are some absolutes in right and wrong that we’ve known since at least Moses. However, not everything is as clear cut to everyone. What’s right for you may not be right for me or others.

Nope, sorry, pedophilia, human trafficking, and rape are wrong for everyone. If that's not clear cut to anyone, they need 20-40 in solitary to think it over.

I've also not answered your stupid hypothetical moral dilemma because it's a stupid hypothetical moral dilemma which has nothing to do with any topic at hand. So, I won't entertain your stupid hypothetical moral dilemma.

You've also argued multiple times that's the lack of bi-partisanship that has ruined America, your description above makes it clear it's partisanship you dislike. As I've said multiple times, when the fight is good vs. evil, right vs. wrong, there can be no bi-partisan compromise.

 

[Lannister the Rich]

Nope, sorry, pedophilia, human trafficking, and rape are wrong for everyone. If that's not clear cut to anyone, they need 20-40 in solitary to think it over.

I've also not answered your stupid hypothetical moral dilemma because it's a stupid hypothetical moral dilemma which has nothing to do with any topic at hand. So, I won't entertain your stupid hypothetical moral dilemma.

You've also argued multiple times that's the lack of bi-partisanship that has ruined America, your description above makes it clear it's partisanship you dislike. As I've said multiple times, when the fight is good vs. evil, right vs. wrong, there can be no bi-partisan compromise.

I guess you missed where I said that there are absolutes in right and wrong. So, there are absolutes in right and wrong no one is arguing against that. If you won’t answer my dilemma, then I’ll take it to mean that you understand that right and wrong is not the same for everyone and assume you won’t answer it because you know it blows your argument open. Please quote me when I have said that lack of bipartisanship has ruined America and I will show you how you misread my comment.

 

[RazorbackPirate]

I guess you missed where I said that there are absolutes in right and wrong. So, there are absolutes in right and wrong no one is arguing against that. If you won’t answer my dilemma, then I’ll take it to mean that you understand that right and wrong is not the same for everyone and assume you won’t answer it because you know it blows your argument open. Please quote me when I have said that lack of bipartisanship has ruined America and I will show you how you misread my comment.

You can take it to mean what you want, for me, I simply don't entertain stupid hypothetical unrelated to the topic. I simply won't be led down your detour.

Bipartisanship has worsened over the past 4 years and it has worsened the state of the Union. DT is using the bipartisanship and exploiting it for his own gain, which sickens me. He’s not the only one, not even close. Democrats and Republicans have polarized to such a point that it’s nearly impossible to get anything accomplished at this point.

Everything you said here is about partisanship, not bi-partisanship. Bi-partisan, means working across party lines and compromise. Partisanship means no compromise. Like when the Dems refuse to govern so as not to give President Trump a win, even when it's what's best for all Americans.

 

[Lannister the Rich]

Everything you said here is about partisanship, not bi-partisanship. Bi-partisan, means working across party lines and compromise. Partisanship means no compromise. Like when the Dems refuse to govern so as not to give President Trump a win, even when it's what's best for all Americans.

Then, I stand corrected. However, I disagree that Trump is always doing what’s best for America. The Republicans do the same when liberals try to do what’s best for America, like the GND, which isn’t only what’s best for America, but the world as a whole. Trump doesn’t even understand how tariffs work and thinks they will harm China when in reality they only harm hard working Americans.

Edit: In case you don’t either, a tariff is a tax on imported goods that the importer (meaning the one who wanted the items brought to America) has to pay. It’s a deterrent to use domestic goods instead which aren’t even always available in America.

 

[RazorbackPirate]

Then, I stand corrected. However, I disagree that Trump is doing what’s best for America. The Republicans do the same when liberals try to do what’s best for America, like the GND, which isn’t only what’s best for America, but the world as a whole. Trump doesn’t even understand how tariffs work and thinks they will harm China when in reality they only harm hard working Americans.

Actually, Trump knows quite well how tariffs work. He's also well aware that there was a time before income taxes that the Federal Gov't was funded entirely through tariffs. The fact is the Tariffs have hurt China tremendously, because of them China's economy is the worst it's been in decades. The tariffs have also not harmed hard working Americans. We've seen little inflation of Chinese goods and US companies are cancelling their China offshoring plans, bringing manufacturing back to the US providing more jobs for more Americans. Coupled with the crackdown on the border, and lowered corporate taxes, we're now seeing wages for the 99% rise faster than the incomes of the 1%. Everyday, more of your fellow Americans are rising out of poverty by going to work and freeing themselves from government hand-outs.

As far as the Green New Deal, I will just take it that you're young, and you paid a lot of money for your college indoctrination. You did well in school proving how well it took hold. The GND is the end of humanity. It is the one world government, game over, ultimate global control. The Paris accords on steroids. Global depopulation at a scale that would make Stalin and Mao blush. There is nothing good about the Green New Deal. It is an agenda of pure Evil. No possible bi-partisanship there.

 

[Lannister the Rich]

As far as the Green New Deal, I will just take it that you're young, and you paid a lot of money for your college indoctrination. You did well in school proving how well it took hold. The GND is the end of humanity. It is the one world government, game over, ultimate global control. The Paris accords on steroids. Global depopulation at a scale that would make Stalin and Mao blush. There is nothing good about the Green New Deal. It is an agenda of pure Evil. No possible bi-partisanship there.

Do you not believe the climate is worsening? There’s a lot of scientific data proving that storms are getting more catastrophic, the weather is getting hotter year round, and at the current rate, we’ll all be dead in the next 100 years?

 

[RazorbackPirate]

and at the current rate, we’ll all be dead in the next 100 years?

Really? You buying that claptrap?

Speaking of Greenland, did you know that there was a thriving civilization there for about a 400 year period when there was a much more temperate climate? Glaciers much smaller with shorter winters and longer summers? Do you know that during that same time frame, monasteries in England and Scotland kept records of the wine grapes they grew and wines they produced, something not possible in those areas today with today's colder climate?

Have you ever heard about the Little Ice Age which coincided with the Maunder Minimum? There were years that no crops grew in northern Europe. By the end of it, Northern Scandinavian and some Northern European cities had emptied out over 90% of the population. Do you know that the Earth has been getting warmer ever since the end of the Little Ice Age?

So yes, I am well aware that the climate changes and changes quite drastically without man's intervention. In fact, the key driver of the Earth's climate is the Sun. Which ironically enough, is going into another minimum. Should we expect more colder winters, polar vortices, and spring flooding? Did you know back in the 70's as scientists were predicting what could happen during this current minimum they predicted Global Cooling, another Little Ice Age?

I think the whole GND / Climate Change / Global Catastrophe narrative gives the Global Elite too much control. I think the UN, 2030 agenda's goal to heard us all into cities is all about that, stacked like rats in our 400 sq ft. tiny apartment. Ever see the Hunger Games? That's your GND. The Elite laughing it up in their 'green' cities while the rest are left to starve.

Oh and the depopulation thing? Did you know that this week Newsweek published an article on why we should get over our irrational fear about eating human meat? Wonder who will decide which races will be considered the eating kind? Connect the dots young-ling. Don't be their useful idiot.

 

[Lannister the Rich]

Really? You buying that claptrap?

Speaking of Greenland, did you know that there was a thriving civilization there for about a 400 year period when there was a much more temperate climate? Glaciers much smaller with shorter winters and longer summers? Do you know that during that same time frame, monasteries in England and Scotland kept records of the wine grapes they grew and wines they produced, something not possible in those areas today with today's colder climate?

Have you ever heard about the Little Ice Age which coincided with the Maunder Minimum? There were years that no crops grew in northern Europe. By the end of it, Northern Scandinavian and some Northern European cities had emptied out over 90% of the population. Do you know that the Earth has been getting warmer ever since the end of the Little Ice Age?

So yes, I am well aware that the climate changes and changes quite drastically without man's intervention. In fact, the key driver of the Earth's climate is the Sun. Which ironically enough, is going into another minimum. Should we expect more colder winters, polar vortices, and spring flooding? Did you know back in the 70's as scientists were predicting what could happen during this current minimum they predicted Global Cooling, Another Little Ice Age?

I think the level of control the whole GND / Climate Change / Global Catastrophe narrative gives the Global Elite too much control. I think the UN, 2030 agenda to heard us all into cities is all about that, stacked like rats in our 400 sq ft. tiny apartment. Ever see the Hunger Games? That's your GND. The Elite laughing it up in their 'green' cities while the rest are left to starve. Oh and the depopulation thing? Did you know that this week Newsweek published an article on why we should get over our irrational fear about eating human meat? Connect the dots young-ling. Don't be their useful idiot.

Believe what you want, I’ll side with science.

Just curious though, what is your stance on capital punishment?

 

[RazorbackPirate]

Just curious though, what is your stance on capital punishment?

Swift and sure. I'm glad William Barr re-instituted it at the Federal level. I'm glad it will first be used against those who abused and killed children. My only disappointment is that I don't feel we live in a Country where we will ever see it used again for treason. Seems the folks guilty of that are now 'above the law.'