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and yet the life patterns we instil in teens carries through to adult hood, which was my point.
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and yet the life patterns we instil in teens carries through to adult hood, which was my point.
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A lot of ridiculous behavior exists, but I'd need to see some studies before I'm convinced it's common enough to be a problem. I think of my sister spending year after year trying to find a job with no luck; I think of my dad getting laid off from three jobs in as many years; I think of myself too sick to work, and I think of a statistic I found somewhere stating that most homeless people have an untreated mental illness. (I don't remember where I found it so I can't cite it, and do not expect anyone to take my word for it.) I think of my mother's coworker who's sick, and can work when she's medicated, but if she goes just the tiniest bit over budget she can't afford medication, and then can't work, and then can't earn money to get the medicine, and so on. (Her only "solution" is to go deeper and deeper into debt.) I think of the outrageous cost for higher education in this country, I think of student loans and other predatory lending policies. And I live in a moderately affluent area. I'm not immune to anecdotal evidence, especially the kind that I can relate to directly, and I simply cannot think of any adults that have money problems simply because they're not trying. If they're starving, the only reason someone wouldn't try is if they were not well enough to, which brings us back to the cost of medicine.
It's pretty obvious what the question was referring to, and I'm not willing to withhold sufficient welfare to prevent occasional abuse at the expense of the countless people that genuinely need it. And it's beyond me how anyone could feel otherwise. I know many do, but I just can't understand it.
It's pretty obvious what the question was referring to, and I'm not willing to withhold sufficient welfare to prevent occasional abuse at the expense of the countless people that genuinely need it. And it's beyond me how anyone could feel otherwise. I know many do, but I just can't understand it.
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You seem to have completely missed mine, in that teens are children as far as I'm concerned and thus not at fault, nor are they the same as they will be when they're adults.
Whatever behavior you're seeing in teens is not representative of adult behavior. Because they're not adults. And people tend to grow up at some point. Which usually means not doing such stupid things. Which means their behavior often changes. Which means the pattern does not necessarily carry through to adulthood and often doesn't. I don't act the same way I did when I was a teenager. I was stupid as a teenager. Not as stupid as my peers, but still pretty stupid. And, oh hey, now that I've grown up, I don't do or think half the stupid stuff I did back then. Because people change when they grow up, some more than others. Which was my point. Am I using too many words or something here? (Don't get me wrong; we've got no shortage of stupid adults. But being stupid as a teen does not mean you will be stupid as an adult.)
As for what we instill in children, that is, in part, exactly what I was referring to with the "vicious cycle" thing. I didn't think I would have to elaborate on it. It means poverty has a way of perpetuating itself over the course of one's life and through generations. It means you've got a lot of disadvantages that hold you back from getting rid of those very disadvantages.
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I am more than willing to withhold it until they fix it.
Something dawned on me the other day while sitting at the IRS office. I was looking through a magazine and there was a tidbit on Paul Mitchell. His logo is black / White because they couldn't afford color printing. It got me thinking. Back in the day, many of these successful companies the tree huggers demonize started out with a capital of nothing but hard work, tenacity, family unity, and compromise. Now and days, people don't want to blend households, cut costs, and re-evaluate their life styles in order to get ahead. No, they'd rather gripe and cry that times are hard...government give me a check.....
I don't agree with this. There are ways families and individuals can get ahead, but they come at a cost. If your are not willing to pay them, well pox on you. I shouldn't have to suffer my savings which I put forth a lot of blood sweat and tears for, to give it to you, so you can continue on a path of "if it feels good, don't worry, uncle sam will pay for your "enjoyment". It chaps me. It really does.
EDIT: so I don't double post.
I didn't miss your point. I disagree. I see it every day on the streets where I live.
Something dawned on me the other day while sitting at the IRS office. I was looking through a magazine and there was a tidbit on Paul Mitchell. His logo is black / White because they couldn't afford color printing. It got me thinking. Back in the day, many of these successful companies the tree huggers demonize started out with a capital of nothing but hard work, tenacity, family unity, and compromise. Now and days, people don't want to blend households, cut costs, and re-evaluate their life styles in order to get ahead. No, they'd rather gripe and cry that times are hard...government give me a check.....
I don't agree with this. There are ways families and individuals can get ahead, but they come at a cost. If your are not willing to pay them, well pox on you. I shouldn't have to suffer my savings which I put forth a lot of blood sweat and tears for, to give it to you, so you can continue on a path of "if it feels good, don't worry, uncle sam will pay for your "enjoyment". It chaps me. It really does.
EDIT: so I don't double post.
I didn't miss your point. I disagree. I see it every day on the streets where I live.
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Did you read my entire posts? If I wasn't lucky enough to have parents that can afford to take care of me, best case scenario I'd be dead in a gutter somewhere. So I suppose you'd just be okay with that rather than spare a tiny portion of your salary to keep me and God only knows how many others like me alive? How exactly would I get ahead, being too sick to work? A miracle? I stopped waiting for one of those a long time ago.
My best will never be good enough, I will never be magically cured, and I'm not holding my breath for them to suddenly invent a medicine that allows me to function like a normal human being. Trying any harder than I am just gets me sicker from the stress and I backslide lower than I was before. And you'd be perfectly happy to leave me to rot in the aforementioned gutter. Because you don't buy it. Because you somehow know my situation better than I do. Good to know. So, Miss Cleo, how do you propose I pull ahead?
My best will never be good enough, I will never be magically cured, and I'm not holding my breath for them to suddenly invent a medicine that allows me to function like a normal human being. Trying any harder than I am just gets me sicker from the stress and I backslide lower than I was before. And you'd be perfectly happy to leave me to rot in the aforementioned gutter. Because you don't buy it. Because you somehow know my situation better than I do. Good to know. So, Miss Cleo, how do you propose I pull ahead?
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I believe the community/STATE/ and Church should be more responsible for assisting. I believe in if you teach a man to fish he will eat his whole life, but if you give him a fish, he will be hungry in 4 hours. I don't believe in the federal government to be in charge of it because there is to much room for corruption.
And don't throw in the medical card on this. Obviously you would NOT be included in this discussion. I have a daughter that has screwed up, and I REFUSE to allow her welfare. I have a large church, and I moved back home with my mother to blend households and incomes, so she could go to college and become successful to a fairly independent degree without WELFARE. There are many people who are of the mentality, status quo is good enough, and if I can't get ahead with the status quo, welfare will help me, and I totally disagree with that. Status quo is NEVER good enough. In a world our kids are taught everyone is a winner, the amount of effort in succeeding has minimized, and I totally disagree. You have winners, you have losers. If you don't do what needs to be done, you lose. Should we give all the Olympians medals simply because they all did their best?
And yes I read your whole post. I ignored the part about homeless people. And I ignored the part about student loans. Both of those could be solved by the people in that situation being proactive.
It seems people have lost interest in personal accountability...but hey, maybe that is why the nation doesn't have a BUDGET!! Go Democratic Senate...YOU ROCK!!!
And don't throw in the medical card on this. Obviously you would NOT be included in this discussion. I have a daughter that has screwed up, and I REFUSE to allow her welfare. I have a large church, and I moved back home with my mother to blend households and incomes, so she could go to college and become successful to a fairly independent degree without WELFARE. There are many people who are of the mentality, status quo is good enough, and if I can't get ahead with the status quo, welfare will help me, and I totally disagree with that. Status quo is NEVER good enough. In a world our kids are taught everyone is a winner, the amount of effort in succeeding has minimized, and I totally disagree. You have winners, you have losers. If you don't do what needs to be done, you lose. Should we give all the Olympians medals simply because they all did their best?
And yes I read your whole post. I ignored the part about homeless people. And I ignored the part about student loans. Both of those could be solved by the people in that situation being proactive.
It seems people have lost interest in personal accountability...but hey, maybe that is why the nation doesn't have a BUDGET!! Go Democratic Senate...YOU ROCK!!!
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[tl;dr rant]
EDIT: Should probably drop it before drama happens and we're a little off topic besides. I won't respond to anything else on this. Sorry guys, sensitive subject and all that.
EDIT: Should probably drop it before drama happens and we're a little off topic besides. I won't respond to anything else on this. Sorry guys, sensitive subject and all that.
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(( actually you're all enjoying the debate and being civil about it, so I moved it to The Debate Hall ))
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Way At the upper right, extremely....
With me as your leader, you will not have any need for many insects (poly TICS)
I will give your your daily order
and you,
WILL COMPLY!
Your opinion will be heard, noted and even culled for good ideas, but in the end....
I will tell you what to think,
I will tell you what to say,
and you will LIKE it!
Oh crap,
sounds like the world we live in already...
I changed my mind... I'm with Dark on this one....
With me as your leader, you will not have any need for many insects (poly TICS)
I will give your your daily order
and you,
WILL COMPLY!
Your opinion will be heard, noted and even culled for good ideas, but in the end....
I will tell you what to think,
I will tell you what to say,
and you will LIKE it!
Oh crap,
sounds like the world we live in already...
I changed my mind... I'm with Dark on this one....
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Economic Left/Right: -3.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.03
i was on the bottom right hand side of the red square between the third and fourth?
[/IMG] thogh im not sure this study is accurate i have always been inclined to socialism i thought it would have had more of a socialist response
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.03
i was on the bottom right hand side of the red square between the third and fourth?
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So far I am still the most centered of the bunch...go figure...
HELP I am surrounded by liberal goons!!!!
HELP I am surrounded by liberal goons!!!!
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Okay, now that I've calmed down I'm going to address this with minimal emotional ranting.
What exactly am I trying to win, here? Food, shelter, medicine? I lose at life because, due to factors beyond anyone's control, I am unable to take care of myself. So... I don't get food, shelter, and medicine? I lack the capacity to be productive and am thus unworthy of life? I'll accept a "survival of the fittest" argument but I'd like to think humanity is above that.
I won't die without winning an award for participation. I'll die without the things I feel the state should provide if necessary. I'll die without obscenely expensive medication. I have indeed calmed down but I'm still utterly bewildered at how you could be so... illogical and thoughtless and crass to make such a comparison in the first place. I won't ask you to mince words for my sake but I don't appreciate being informed that, as a loser, I am undeserving of things I need to live, and that those basic needs are as important as a child getting a ribbon for participating in a spelling bee. Because that is exactly what you are saying.
As for student loans, these are predatory lending policies specifically designed to target inexperienced young people without much money and trick them into being in debt for the rest of their lives. They don't know any better and/or don't have any other ways to pay for college. My parents are paying for college but once again, not everyone has access to the same resources and not everyone's parents are willing and able to pay for them. And any job you can get without a degree will not pay for college, especially not in addition to living costs. So unless they have friends or family that can help them out, it's either get a loan or don't go to college. Getting a loan in that situation is being proactive, as opposed to resigning yourself to a life of minimum wage.
The man is incapable of fishing. That's kind of the problem.
Excuse me?
Why not, exactly? It is a matter that directly affects me and others like me. I am using myself as an example of someone that, through no fault of her own, cannot take care of herself. Someone that requires a great deal of expensive assistance just to live. I am relevant to this conversation and I'm not going to pretend otherwise because, what, it makes you uncomfortable or something.
What does making a mistake have to do with people with illnesses and disabilities? Unless she made the mistake because of an illness or disability, in which case the mistake itself is not the root of the problem.
That's great, but not everyone has access to the same as resources you and your daughter. Not everyone has family or friends that can afford to help support them. Considering impoverished people tend to come from impoverished families and live in impoverished communities... do I really need to elaborate here?
Are you even listening to yourself? This is the comment that got me so upset. Do you seriously not see how unbelievably offensive this is?
What exactly am I trying to win, here? Food, shelter, medicine? I lose at life because, due to factors beyond anyone's control, I am unable to take care of myself. So... I don't get food, shelter, and medicine? I lack the capacity to be productive and am thus unworthy of life? I'll accept a "survival of the fittest" argument but I'd like to think humanity is above that.
I won't die without winning an award for participation. I'll die without the things I feel the state should provide if necessary. I'll die without obscenely expensive medication. I have indeed calmed down but I'm still utterly bewildered at how you could be so... illogical and thoughtless and crass to make such a comparison in the first place. I won't ask you to mince words for my sake but I don't appreciate being informed that, as a loser, I am undeserving of things I need to live, and that those basic needs are as important as a child getting a ribbon for participating in a spelling bee. Because that is exactly what you are saying.
Uh, why? I'd be one of those homeless people if my parents couldn't afford to take care of me. I very explicitly, specifically referred to homeless people that are homeless because they are sick and cannot work, cannot provide for themselves, cannot afford shelter, cannot afford treatment that might allow them to function. You cannot be proactive in that situation because you can't do much of anything.
As for student loans, these are predatory lending policies specifically designed to target inexperienced young people without much money and trick them into being in debt for the rest of their lives. They don't know any better and/or don't have any other ways to pay for college. My parents are paying for college but once again, not everyone has access to the same resources and not everyone's parents are willing and able to pay for them. And any job you can get without a degree will not pay for college, especially not in addition to living costs. So unless they have friends or family that can help them out, it's either get a loan or don't go to college. Getting a loan in that situation is being proactive, as opposed to resigning yourself to a life of minimum wage.
So you're holding the sick and the disabled accountable for their sicknesses and disabilities? Not even going to get into the vicious cycle of poverty because I already explained it and if you didn't get it the first time, you won't get it now.
EDIT: Reread this part; seems I might have misinterpreted it. Still, I have made it clear elsewhere that I do not approve of most democrats in office. Also I just love how this is apparently all the Democrats' fault, a day before you call someone out on blaming everything on Republicans (apparently).
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I answered all of the questions honestly.. Apparently I am a reincarnation of Ghandi? I have a bad temper though so it doesn't make sense. I'm the kind of guy that feels better when he breaks stuff or hits things. Maybe I AM Ghandi reincarnated and my temper is due to the fact that everyone who stands up for Peace and Unity is killed.
I really feel ashamed to be a human being. It really makes me sick to see the things that go on in the world. If any of you try to argue with me about the world not being that bad send me a Private Message and I'll gladly direct you to a site that shows you EXACTLY how horrible the world actually is.
http://i.imgur.com/SUCwc.jpg
I really feel ashamed to be a human being. It really makes me sick to see the things that go on in the world. If any of you try to argue with me about the world not being that bad send me a Private Message and I'll gladly direct you to a site that shows you EXACTLY how horrible the world actually is.
http://i.imgur.com/SUCwc.jpg
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ok, since when did this become about illness specifically? And secondly, until you feel like sharing exactly what your illness it, your using it as an example is moot. There are varying degrees of "sick". And I have already gone into great detail on other threads about the homeless, no sense in rehashing it, and as for student loans, the kids should have used their brains and sought out help and guidance towards student loans.
As to my daughter, everyone has the opportunity for that sort of network. It is all about what you are willing to do for it.
I don't care if you find my comments offensive, you haven't given me any clue as to what your healtcare comprises of. And thirdly, I am not dead set against SSI, You said welfare, and I said I would get rid of it all till they fixed it. (welfare is foodstamps and cash benefits)
Oh and I should say, I really don't agree with poverty being a crutch. Everyone with drive can rise above their circumstances. To say my parents were poor insults every immigrant that work 3 jobs to send their kid to college. Every single mom who worked 20 hours to put their child through school, Every kid who spent hours studying to escape. No...I don't by the pity me, woe is me, the life I was handed sucks. Everyone can get themselves out of it.
Trivia for you folks? Does anyone know why Paul Mitchell logo is in black and white?
As to my daughter, everyone has the opportunity for that sort of network. It is all about what you are willing to do for it.
I don't care if you find my comments offensive, you haven't given me any clue as to what your healtcare comprises of. And thirdly, I am not dead set against SSI, You said welfare, and I said I would get rid of it all till they fixed it. (welfare is foodstamps and cash benefits)
Oh and I should say, I really don't agree with poverty being a crutch. Everyone with drive can rise above their circumstances. To say my parents were poor insults every immigrant that work 3 jobs to send their kid to college. Every single mom who worked 20 hours to put their child through school, Every kid who spent hours studying to escape. No...I don't by the pity me, woe is me, the life I was handed sucks. Everyone can get themselves out of it.
Trivia for you folks? Does anyone know why Paul Mitchell logo is in black and white?
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You already mentioned the black and white thing, yes. Not sure what it has to do with anything.
It became about illness specifically when the argument I presented was, in fact, about illness specifically. But it doesn't even need to be about illness specifically--my point is that illness can be a cause of poverty. My point is that it is a thing that happens.
Help and guidance will not stop creditors from taking advantage of people with no other options.
I never said the word welfare, actually, nor did I refer to it.
I'm not sure why you think you know what opportunities everyone has. I never said anything about self pity, which is absolutely counterproductive, nor did I suggest that anyone stop trying to better themselves. Drive can only get you so far without resources. Resources are in no way equally distributed. Not every problem can be solved and sometimes your absolute best is just not good enough. We are literally defined by our circumstances: genetics, upbringing, and society. No, really, go ask a psychologist or sociologist.
I haven't said what I'm sick with because there's so much misunderstanding about it. The name is misleading and people think they know what it means when they really, really don't. All you really need to know is that I cannot function like a healthy person. Long story short, if healthy people wake up every morning with 100 energy points every morning, I consider it a cause for celebration if I wake up with 20.
But if you must know, I have severe clinical depression. Judging by the outstanding ignorance you have displayed towards people with problems you cannot relate to, I am looking forward to you proceeding to inform me that "being kind of sad" is no excuse and I'm not really that sick and I'm just not trying hard enough. But if you're actually willing to believe me, it will take some time to put together some sort of list of all the ways it has plagued me. If you're lucky, I might even be willing to explain what it's like to feel suicidal. I've known since I was ten, after all.
It became about illness specifically when the argument I presented was, in fact, about illness specifically. But it doesn't even need to be about illness specifically--my point is that illness can be a cause of poverty. My point is that it is a thing that happens.
Help and guidance will not stop creditors from taking advantage of people with no other options.
I never said the word welfare, actually, nor did I refer to it.
I'm not sure why you think you know what opportunities everyone has. I never said anything about self pity, which is absolutely counterproductive, nor did I suggest that anyone stop trying to better themselves. Drive can only get you so far without resources. Resources are in no way equally distributed. Not every problem can be solved and sometimes your absolute best is just not good enough. We are literally defined by our circumstances: genetics, upbringing, and society. No, really, go ask a psychologist or sociologist.
I haven't said what I'm sick with because there's so much misunderstanding about it. The name is misleading and people think they know what it means when they really, really don't. All you really need to know is that I cannot function like a healthy person. Long story short, if healthy people wake up every morning with 100 energy points every morning, I consider it a cause for celebration if I wake up with 20.
But if you must know, I have severe clinical depression. Judging by the outstanding ignorance you have displayed towards people with problems you cannot relate to, I am looking forward to you proceeding to inform me that "being kind of sad" is no excuse and I'm not really that sick and I'm just not trying hard enough. But if you're actually willing to believe me, it will take some time to put together some sort of list of all the ways it has plagued me. If you're lucky, I might even be willing to explain what it's like to feel suicidal. I've known since I was ten, after all.
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Lol, I wouldn't get too ahead of yourself. You're more liberal and authoritarian than Obama remember, and we've seen at least two Gandhis in several posters, clearly this test is super accurate
Not too many surprises here, left of center and relatively balanced vertically.
Not everyone, although some. The real question isn't can they, but should they have to? It wouldn't ruin America to spend less money buying high powered toys to detonate in the Middle East and more helping our fellow citizens to have the equal opportunity that most take for granted. I'd be happy if no single mother had to work multiple jobs to get her kids through school...
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Diggo, I will be the first to agree there are those we are responsible to assist. But to blanket cover everyone is wrong. I hate helping the lazy. I don't argue about those with a legit issue, but most issues are far from that level. I am not saying that there isn't a lopside going on...but is handouts EVER the answer? There are other ways to do it that require people to strive further than what is comfortable. Not all paths are easy...hell, if it was so easy, and nobody left their comfort zone, America would have just celebrated a Diamond Jubilee.......
And Butterfly, I find that diagnosis as over used as bipolar, ADHD, and many other diagnosis's. I can tell you I have a great friend Tony who is on the high spectrum of Clinical Depression. He can also go for social security, and refuses to do so. So in many senses you are right. Depression has been around forEVER, and I am not to inclined to pity those diagnosed, but mostly because just because you are depressed you can't give up. He doesn't. I was diagnosed bipolar for many years, severe, but then one day I had a radical hyst, and Texas Tech doctors informed me it was my hormones that are the problem, I had been mis diagnosed all those years. And you wanna look at an example of a broad spectrum, look at Aspergers. My daughter was diagnosed ODD when she was in 3rd grade, and they gave me a pill. I realized that that was crap, and changed how I raised her. The result, she turned out much better than many of those diagnosed with her. You can't tell someone the sky is blue, if they see it is yellow, but you CAN function with them so that the communication is on the same level. A dyslexic is still dyslexic even after long hours of teaching them how to deal with it is done. And yet they ARE functional.
And Butterfly, I find that diagnosis as over used as bipolar, ADHD, and many other diagnosis's. I can tell you I have a great friend Tony who is on the high spectrum of Clinical Depression. He can also go for social security, and refuses to do so. So in many senses you are right. Depression has been around forEVER, and I am not to inclined to pity those diagnosed, but mostly because just because you are depressed you can't give up. He doesn't. I was diagnosed bipolar for many years, severe, but then one day I had a radical hyst, and Texas Tech doctors informed me it was my hormones that are the problem, I had been mis diagnosed all those years. And you wanna look at an example of a broad spectrum, look at Aspergers. My daughter was diagnosed ODD when she was in 3rd grade, and they gave me a pill. I realized that that was crap, and changed how I raised her. The result, she turned out much better than many of those diagnosed with her. You can't tell someone the sky is blue, if they see it is yellow, but you CAN function with them so that the communication is on the same level. A dyslexic is still dyslexic even after long hours of teaching them how to deal with it is done. And yet they ARE functional.
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Clinical depression is still a real thing and I have just about all the symptoms. My diagnosis was made over the course of several years in grade school (it normally manifests around adolescence; mine has been with me since before I can remember). They were beyond hesitant to diagnose someone so young but I showed enough of the symptoms and I have reason to believe it was accurate.
1. I am so far from normal without medication that it is abundantly clear that something is wrong. It is not normal for toddler to inform her mother in the broken langauge of a very small child that she wishes she'd never been born (the toddler, not the mother). It is not normal for a ten year old with her physical needs filled and a loving, responsible family to seriously consider suicide. My very first suicidal thoughts were triggered by breaking a thermometer. I was convinced the world and the people I care about would be better off with out me. I'm still not convinced otherwise, to be honest, but an otherwise healthy ten-year-old should not be having such thoughts. Furthermore, on the rare occasion that I have to get off one medicine completely in order to try another... it's not pretty. Whatever it is I am without medicine, I wouldn't call it living. So something is very, very wrong.
2. It was after the thermometer incident, the same year, that I first tried Zoloft (which, once again, they were beyond hesitant to prescribe for a child for various reasons. They would not have done so if they were not absolutely 100% certain, because they'd be criminally liable of something went wrong.) and the improvement was swift and massive. My teacher, who had no idea anything had been up, commented to my parents that I seemed to be in such a good mood. I was in a good mood--I was in a good mood because for the first time in my life, I was not unhappy. I didn't even recognize that I had been unhappy was because it was my default; I hadn't known anything else. So, the medicine clearly worked. If I didn't have the problem they had diagnosed me with, it would not have worked. If anything it would have screwed me up.
3. I am aware plenty of things are misdiagnosed. I am also aware just how much your doctor can screw you over by prescribing a psychoactive drug you don't need. However, I have since preadolescence undergone test after test after test after test. I have seen doctor after doctor after doctor after doctor. Just today I got yet another blood test back. Nope, they haven't found anything. There's still nothing I can do about the symptoms that are not being sufficiently treated.
I was ten when I first learned what it's like to not be in pain. It got worse from there. And worse. And worse. And worse. It just kept going. And I just kept fighting it but it was an eternal dance of one step forward, two steps back. I'd find a medicine that worked better or I'd find a way to cope, but then it would get worse than it was before and I was farther back from where I'd started. Now, maybe two days a year I wake up feeling not bad. Not good, not even okay, just not bad. I savor these moments.
There is not one single aspect of my life that it does not directly affect. Not one. Just brushing my teeth is a Herculean effort. Being out of bed for more than eight hours at a stretch? Pfft. Sleep? I lie awake for a good five hours. Three on a good night. Bad nights, I can lie in bed too exhausted and miserable and in pain to do anything other than fail to sleep... for up to fourteen hours straight. At any given time, I am in pain for no apparent reason. I have a headache that has never gone away in my entire life; I do not know what it feels like to not have a headache. About, oh, 40-60 percent of the time it is a migraine. Eating? I am nauseated more often than not. Anything even remotely productive? Hahahahahahahaha not happening. I remember working for four hours one night in high school. I was so proud of myself. I had not managed it before and have not managed it since. Naturally I completely crashed the next year, but I guess that's okay. By then I was expecting it.
Whenever something goes right, I enjoy it while I can while waiting for the other shoe to drop and drop hard, because it always, always has. I think I've stabilized so I don't think I'm going to get worse, but I have no reason to believe I'm going to get better. That's not going to stop me from trying, of course, because there's not much else I can do. But I have no expectations of accomplishing anything, except perhaps very, very slowly. I might even be able to get a job sometime in my thirties. Oh wait, but that would involve being able to work for at least four hours at a time, and despite my best efforts I've only been able to do that once. So. Mooching off my parents indefinitely it is. Oh hey guilt, how's it going?
1. I am so far from normal without medication that it is abundantly clear that something is wrong. It is not normal for toddler to inform her mother in the broken langauge of a very small child that she wishes she'd never been born (the toddler, not the mother). It is not normal for a ten year old with her physical needs filled and a loving, responsible family to seriously consider suicide. My very first suicidal thoughts were triggered by breaking a thermometer. I was convinced the world and the people I care about would be better off with out me. I'm still not convinced otherwise, to be honest, but an otherwise healthy ten-year-old should not be having such thoughts. Furthermore, on the rare occasion that I have to get off one medicine completely in order to try another... it's not pretty. Whatever it is I am without medicine, I wouldn't call it living. So something is very, very wrong.
2. It was after the thermometer incident, the same year, that I first tried Zoloft (which, once again, they were beyond hesitant to prescribe for a child for various reasons. They would not have done so if they were not absolutely 100% certain, because they'd be criminally liable of something went wrong.) and the improvement was swift and massive. My teacher, who had no idea anything had been up, commented to my parents that I seemed to be in such a good mood. I was in a good mood--I was in a good mood because for the first time in my life, I was not unhappy. I didn't even recognize that I had been unhappy was because it was my default; I hadn't known anything else. So, the medicine clearly worked. If I didn't have the problem they had diagnosed me with, it would not have worked. If anything it would have screwed me up.
3. I am aware plenty of things are misdiagnosed. I am also aware just how much your doctor can screw you over by prescribing a psychoactive drug you don't need. However, I have since preadolescence undergone test after test after test after test. I have seen doctor after doctor after doctor after doctor. Just today I got yet another blood test back. Nope, they haven't found anything. There's still nothing I can do about the symptoms that are not being sufficiently treated.
I was ten when I first learned what it's like to not be in pain. It got worse from there. And worse. And worse. And worse. It just kept going. And I just kept fighting it but it was an eternal dance of one step forward, two steps back. I'd find a medicine that worked better or I'd find a way to cope, but then it would get worse than it was before and I was farther back from where I'd started. Now, maybe two days a year I wake up feeling not bad. Not good, not even okay, just not bad. I savor these moments.
There is not one single aspect of my life that it does not directly affect. Not one. Just brushing my teeth is a Herculean effort. Being out of bed for more than eight hours at a stretch? Pfft. Sleep? I lie awake for a good five hours. Three on a good night. Bad nights, I can lie in bed too exhausted and miserable and in pain to do anything other than fail to sleep... for up to fourteen hours straight. At any given time, I am in pain for no apparent reason. I have a headache that has never gone away in my entire life; I do not know what it feels like to not have a headache. About, oh, 40-60 percent of the time it is a migraine. Eating? I am nauseated more often than not. Anything even remotely productive? Hahahahahahahaha not happening. I remember working for four hours one night in high school. I was so proud of myself. I had not managed it before and have not managed it since. Naturally I completely crashed the next year, but I guess that's okay. By then I was expecting it.
Whenever something goes right, I enjoy it while I can while waiting for the other shoe to drop and drop hard, because it always, always has. I think I've stabilized so I don't think I'm going to get worse, but I have no reason to believe I'm going to get better. That's not going to stop me from trying, of course, because there's not much else I can do. But I have no expectations of accomplishing anything, except perhaps very, very slowly. I might even be able to get a job sometime in my thirties. Oh wait, but that would involve being able to work for at least four hours at a time, and despite my best efforts I've only been able to do that once. So. Mooching off my parents indefinitely it is. Oh hey guilt, how's it going?
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Ok, for starters...I did not say I disagreed with the diagnosis. I said it is often overused. Secondly, as I said, giving up and depending on a government handout is not an option. However bouncing around in your perimeters is very much viable...and always striving to overcome them. Tony has tried everything, and is currently doing shock therapy. He has applied to have some little metal something or other stuck in his brain....BUT, in the absence of a cure, he still tries. He is trying to get his Harley mechanics license so he can work on his own terms. He also lives with his mom, but he has begun to realize that is what family does. His disorder is no different than say a parapalegic. But it doesn't stop him from attempting to be productive.
You confuse the stand for those who abuse the system and those who need it. NOW on to a different point. I don't believe it is the governments responsibility to pay out to everyone who can't. None of the wealthy people of the past got wealthy by it being handed to them....all of them sacrificed. People can't afford food, you don't see them moving in together and trying to combine incomes and pool resources do you? No they still want bigger houses, bigger cars, bigger everything, they just want everyone else to pay for it. I believe it is the churches and local communities responsibility to see to the specific needs of their community. Period. Who knows better who is abusing the system and who needs what? Uncle Sam obviously doesn't. If I give up things to secure my future, why should I have to still pay for people who gave up nothing? I gave up a job, a house, a life to move back in with my mother so my daughter can go to college to support HER daughter....I live in my mom's dining room so that I can get ahead. So don't give me any *world is filtered so fill it in* about woe is me. Screw anyone who thinks cake comes for free. I just gave my daughter the riot act because I had to fork out another 100 dollars to her today out of my savings and she is crying because she has no freaking internet.....REALLY? I realize she was raped by her boyfriend in a drunken mess, and thus she got pregnant, but she chose that trash, she chose to keep the baby, but it is up to her to suck it up and be super mom. If I have to, I will be DAMNED if she is going to get an easy ride when I at 40 am giving up MY savings to see her secure. Oh and on that note, I also got ripped by her for telling her she can't work at Publix, because I witnessed a murder, and I have had to hide from the gang in order to escape the target on my back, and a few people who know us WORK at the Publix in question. So don't give me any sob stories about rich and poor.....it is ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL about choices.
Edit: I chose to move back in with my mom so I could also go back to school, and have enough money to still do the things I wanted to do. I live in her dining room because the money that I save on a second bedroom goes to my daughter.
The relevance of publix is I told her she has to get a job. She doesn't want to do so many things, she is picky, as if she has a right to be...on my dime go figure. She got a job offer at a publix and I told her no.
You confuse the stand for those who abuse the system and those who need it. NOW on to a different point. I don't believe it is the governments responsibility to pay out to everyone who can't. None of the wealthy people of the past got wealthy by it being handed to them....all of them sacrificed. People can't afford food, you don't see them moving in together and trying to combine incomes and pool resources do you? No they still want bigger houses, bigger cars, bigger everything, they just want everyone else to pay for it. I believe it is the churches and local communities responsibility to see to the specific needs of their community. Period. Who knows better who is abusing the system and who needs what? Uncle Sam obviously doesn't. If I give up things to secure my future, why should I have to still pay for people who gave up nothing? I gave up a job, a house, a life to move back in with my mother so my daughter can go to college to support HER daughter....I live in my mom's dining room so that I can get ahead. So don't give me any *world is filtered so fill it in* about woe is me. Screw anyone who thinks cake comes for free. I just gave my daughter the riot act because I had to fork out another 100 dollars to her today out of my savings and she is crying because she has no freaking internet.....REALLY? I realize she was raped by her boyfriend in a drunken mess, and thus she got pregnant, but she chose that trash, she chose to keep the baby, but it is up to her to suck it up and be super mom. If I have to, I will be DAMNED if she is going to get an easy ride when I at 40 am giving up MY savings to see her secure. Oh and on that note, I also got ripped by her for telling her she can't work at Publix, because I witnessed a murder, and I have had to hide from the gang in order to escape the target on my back, and a few people who know us WORK at the Publix in question. So don't give me any sob stories about rich and poor.....it is ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL about choices.
Edit: I chose to move back in with my mom so I could also go back to school, and have enough money to still do the things I wanted to do. I live in her dining room because the money that I save on a second bedroom goes to my daughter.
The relevance of publix is I told her she has to get a job. She doesn't want to do so many things, she is picky, as if she has a right to be...on my dime go figure. She got a job offer at a publix and I told her no.
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Oh the irony. To blanket everyone is wrong, but no-one ever is deserving of any financial help. Seems legit...
Clearly you have some stereotype that anyone eligible for welfare payments is what I'd call a dole bludger, worthy of no help or assistance at all. Given you yourself identified plenty of people who deserve these payments, there are plenty of people who work their butts off in this country and exist hand-to-mouth whilst the majority have everything they ever need presented to them on a plate, there's no logical reason for such a mental block.
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