Easter Event Feedback

[DeletedUser3679]

LOL....So, by your FUZZY math, I should have had a 82.2 % chance of getting a Rogue Hideout, huh.? SO, then explain why I didn't get one.? Because of that 17.8% chance of NOT getting one.? See, this is what you all do not understand about numbers. "Figures lie and liars figure", is the old saying and please DON'T ban me for quoting a saying. The point is, the numbers are chances of getting one at that INDEPENDENT results at each time. The chances remain the same, EACH TIME, the ONLY thing that changes is the Probability of the random draw each time. Boy, you all need to look up Stats and see why this is a FACT. Again, by your math, I should have at least one of them or an 82.2% chance of getting one and yet I didn't. Can you please understand why this did not happen.? Because each time you select any chest, you have the same chance as the time before it. Because you roll the dice 10 times does not matter. The chances are the same each and every time. If you all cannot understand this, then again, it is these thoughts that keep the Casino's in business. You know what they say about Casino's, right.? "They are NOT built on winners". So, there.

Let's look at the big picture here and stay on point. This event has TURNED INTO a GAMBLING EVENT, period. There is NO marketplace where people can choose the prizes they want, of course we all know why that is. The game is out to make money, like I stated before and some twist my own words to try to benefit themselves or make themselves look like they have a point. The game is allowed and MUST make money to exist. In one of my first posts, I stated that after 54 pages of nearly all negative feedback from the Beta Server/forums, "the game", INNO and the like, decided to bring out this event anyway. So, shame on them for not listening. This is the Companies Fault, plain and simple. People will be happy to spend money on items they deem are of value to them. We can all agree that what is value to one, might not be value to another. Simple tweaks and changes would have made this event a great one, BUT "the game" and INNO decided to ROLL the DICE and have their players ROLL the DICE as well and guess what, your own players/customers don't like it very much, as the numbers are just not correct and fair to all. So, EPIC FAIL.

Say what you want, look at the feedback here, how many are for it and how many are against it ?. Notice a pattern ? Nearly the same feedback like the Beta Server/Forums. But what can I say, "the game" thinks they know best, until the player retention program goes into full swing, then it is panic mode and then, "what do we do next". When you fail to listen to your own customers/players and you start losing revenue, this is the time to reflect back and say, "maybe we should have listened to our players and customers". The problem is, this is where a Strong and Good Leader comes into play and sees the treads and the numbers and adjusts accordingly. Again, what do I know, that was my job back when. Now I tell other companies how to prevent that and I am done, giving free advice to a game that fails to listen to their own players and customers.

About the Bazaars, YES, they are worth it. If you use them properly, you can get 5 goods from that age, each 8 hours. The problem, someone can plunder them and you WILL NEED a Reno Kit to upgrade it. I did get a few in one of the events and I have used multiple Reno Kits on them, where I now have 2 in my primary world. One is TE age and one in FE age. I keep them that way, so I can collect both age goods daily for basically free. They are big, but you can use them for Forge Points too. They are worth it in my opinion. Don't forget the Champion Retreat is here tonight/tomorrow for the daily too. Personally, I have a few bazaars and I will keep my eggs, but for those who do not, I would try for them. If you are lower age, the Champions are basically only good from PME and up ages. So, with other events coming, I would not waste my eggs on Champions and go for Bazaars instead. Just my 2 cents worth.

Steve - LordStevie

Been trying to stay out of this for a long time, but just can't take it any more. You are wrong plain and simple, and bod is right. While the odds of flipping a coin and getting a head stays at 50% no matter how many heads in a row, or tails in a row have just been flipped, this has nothing to do with the odds of flipping at least one head (or tail) in 5 consecutive flips (for example). The fact that you can't or won't see this shows me that you should stay away from commenting on odds until you do see this relatively easy concept. Now before you go all pedantic on me, think about this. Flip a coin 100 times, and no matter what the outcome is, from all heads to all tails and everything in between, the odds on the next flip remain at 50% for either. However, when the question is what are the odds of flipping a coin 100 times with 0 heads (or tails), the odds are calculated exactly as bod has shown in several posts, and the answer is 99+%. Getting no rogues (or whatever) on one try is whatever the stated odds are, but getting one rogue in 10 tries has significantly higher odds. Getting one rogue in a million tries is a virtual certainty.

 

[DeletedUser8152]

LOL....So, by your FUZZY math, I should have had a 82.2 % chance of getting a Rogue Hideout, huh.? SO, then explain why I didn't get one.? Because of that 17.8% chance of NOT getting one.? See, this is what you all do not understand about numbers. "Figures lie and liars figure", is the old saying and please DON'T ban me for quoting a saying. The point is, the numbers are chances of getting one at that INDEPENDENT results at each time. The chances remain the same, EACH TIME, the ONLY thing that changes is the Probability of the random draw each time. Boy, you all need to look up Stats and see why this is a FACT. Again, by your math, I should have at least one of them or an 82.2% chance of getting one and yet I didn't. Can you please understand why this did not happen.? Because each time you select any chest, you have the same chance as the time before it. Because you roll the dice 10 times does not matter. The chances are the same each and every time. If you all cannot understand this, then again, it is these thoughts that keep the Casino's in business. You know what they say about Casino's, right.? "They are NOT built on winners". So, there.

So I'm curious, you have claimed that our math is wrong, but I haven't actually seen your answer to the question: If there is a 25% chance to get a rogue hideout every time you open a chest, what do you think is the probability to have not gotten any hideouts after opening six chests?

If you actually have a different answer for that than 17.8%, then I sense the opportunity for a small wager to settle the issue

 

[DeletedUser25365]

I notice pretty much, mostly negative responses here.
So, here is a positive one.
I'm only LMA and did buy eggs for this and came up with 2 wishing wells, 7 watchfires, 13 Sok's, 2 CR's (which I needed for current Racks as I fight HMA and have a town built for that) Sure, I got some other things I don't really need, but hey, I love the Sok's and watchfires


Don't worry, Be happy

 

[DeletedUser10789]

Not sure why I bother. You all do not realize simple math of chances getting something and possibility odds.
Back to Back has NO relation to the odds as stated in this event. Plain and simple it is taking a chance and it looks like someone may have stuck me in the lowest percentage group of collecting prizes. So, be it. I will NOT spend a dime on this event or spend any of my thousands of diamonds. Until the time I choose to take a shot. So, I have plenty of CHamps Retreats and I know the waste of the Witch Doctor is junk. So, I figured I would give you all something else to yell at me about. So, I used my 240 eggs to work. YES, here is the results and please don't say it is typical. It is NOT.

1st Gold Chest - Color Guard Camp (now I have two, funny how that works) - 14%
2nd Gold Chest - Renovation Kit (now another one too) - 10%

So, there you have it. 25% chance, RIGHT......Now 8 Gold Chests opened and I NEVER GOT any of the 25% chance prizes, LOL. Go figure that math.

What a waste of an event, I will stick to gambling for real and NOT on a game I choose to play. FUZZY MATH.

Steve - LordStevie

 

[DeletedUser13838]

Not sure why I bother. You all do not realize simple math of chances getting something and possibility odds.
Back to Back has NO relation to the odds as stated in this event. Plain and simple it is taking a chance and it looks like someone may have stuck me in the lowest percentage group of collecting prizes. So, be it. I will NOT spend a dime on this event or spend any of my thousands of diamonds. Until the time I choose to take a shot. So, I have plenty of CHamps Retreats and I know the waste of the Witch Doctor is junk. So, I figured I would give you all something else to yell at me about. So, I used my 240 eggs to work. YES, here is the results and please don't say it is typical. It is NOT.

1st Gold Chest - Color Guard Camp (now I have two, funny how that works) - 14%
2nd Gold Chest - Renovation Kit (now another one too) - 10%

So, there you have it. 25% chance, RIGHT......Now 8 Gold Chests opened and I NEVER GOT any of the 25% chance prizes, LOL. Go figure that math.

What a waste of an event, I will stick to gambling for real and NOT on a game I choose to play. FUZZY MATH.

Steve - LordStevie

There is a 10% probability of rolling 8 4-sided dice and not getting any 4s. You would expect to see 1 person in 10 have such bad luck. Sorry to hear it was you but there are probably a few hundred people who bought 8 chests and there are bound to be a few dozen of them who struck out like you did. I'm sure it sucks (has happened to me in the past) but at least you're not alone.

 

[DeletedUser23693]

um why would inno put one of the best prizes in the game(the rouge hideout) as the daily on the fourth day when the people who don't want to spend diamonds on eggs don't have enough to really have a solid chance at getting one. that was the only day i missed and just realized (after saving all my eggs for one) that i missed it. very disappointed

 

[DeletedUser10789]

Hey Konrad,
First, thank you and I was not complaining, like I said before. As I really wanted 1 Color Guard Camp. It just bothers me that these phony numbers and people spitting out Laws of Probability which is NOT like they think this game is based off of. When you have a percentage, the percentage stays the same each time, or so it should. Unless there is something else going on here that we are NOT privy too or know.

I am in FE age in my Primary World and I just found it funny how there was really only a few items I wanted from this event and guess what, it turns out the things I do not need, I got. Sure eggs are great and give me more of a chance to PROVE these pundits wrong here as I can open more chests, which I have and did. What people still do not understand and I am getting tired of trying to educate someone based off of pure numbers. There was someone here who said it right before and to state you have an increased chance the more you open is JUST A WAY TO ENTICE YOU TO OPEN MORE. spend more for less, it is sad. Please (not you) do not tell me how things really work when I know that these people are just trying to have people spend more on the game. I called the sale and I will call yet another SALE. The Laws of Probability are different then a game of chance or luck. Just because I open 1 Gold Chest with a 25% chance of getting an item and I do not get it, my chances or the 25% odds DO NOT GO UP AFTER THAT. You people do NOT get it. Sure a larger sample size will truly be needed for a full study, so maybe everyone should post up REAL RESULTS. Instead of fudging numbers.

Now, to state if you flip a coin 100 times and you will get 6 in a row, I fully agree. But, the chance of flipping it the next time is STILL 50%, unless you can land it on it's edge and I would love to see that one. So, please don't twist things around, a 50% chance is just that, EACH TIME. What do people NOT understand. Your ODDs DO NOT GO UP, you could flip that coin 100 times and have a streak of 10 in a row on heads or tails. But on the 11th. it is STILL 50/50. People who think this way are just people that casino's love to have play in there facilities.

This is becoming such a waste of time as people do not understand simple odds and this is NOT ABOUT LAWS of PROBABILITY. If I opened 8 more Gold Chest, with that poor way of thinking I should get 5-7 more or less of the 25% item. NO. My odds of getting the 25% daily prize WILL ALWAYS REMAIN 25%, AGAIN, UNLESS the game is using "fuzzy math", which is very PORBABLE.

I am venting due to my 70+ guild mates who are all upset with this event and they are getting bad rewards. It is sad that a game chooses to attempt to take advantage of some who just do not know any better. I truly expected more from "the game" and INNO GAMES, shame on them. Sure the event needed to be tweaked, but it seem like they NEVER LISTEN to any FEEDBACK on the Beta Server. So, my question is, why bother with a Beta Server Feedback Thread or Forums. Companies do whatever they want too and they are allowed too, it is in fact (there company) BUT JUST remember one thing. The customers/players have the power to play, quit or just play for free. This is the fine line any and all companies face. It is insulting to think, someone asks your opinion and then they do what they want too anyway. If anyone here, asked a friend what should they do and they didn't listen to their friend, how would their friend feel and more importantly would they expect a friend to want to help or give them advice in the future.? You see my point here.

This thread was to give feedback and we have mostly all, included a Moderator, how bad the Shrine of Inspiration is and how a useless it is. FACT

Steve - LordStevie

 

[DeletedUser8152]

Your ODDs DO NOT GO UP

No one in the whole thread has claimed that after you open one chest, the chances of getting what you want in the second chest will be larger.

What is true is that if you decide to open two chests, the total chance of getting what you want is higher than if you open one chest.

why bother with a Beta Server Feedback Thread or Forums

I believe that the role of the beta server is mainly to look for bugs, not to work as a design sounding board. Not that they always fix bugs that beta finds either...

 

[DeletedUser20367]

Your ODDs DO NOT GO UP, you could flip that coin 100 times and have a streak of 10 in a row on heads or tails. But on the 11th. it is STILL 50/50. People who think this way are just people that casino's love to have play in there facilities.

As jaelis said, no one in this thread has claimed that the odds go up after you've opened a chest and not gotten the daily prize. That is what you are not getting.

I'll try one more time and I don't think that I can make it any simpler.

If you plan to open one gold chest but have not opened it yet the odds that you will win the daily prize by opening that one chest are 25%.

If you plan to open five gold chests but have not opened any of them yet the odds that you will win the daily prize at least once after you have opened all five gold chests are 76.27%. That means that almost 1 in 4 people who open five gold chests will not win the daily prize in any of those five chests.

If you have opened the five gold chests and then chose to open a sixth chest the odds that you will win the daily prize in the sixth chest are 25%.

 

[DeletedUser10789]

um why would inno put one of the best prizes in the game(the rouge hideout) as the daily on the fourth day when the people who don't want to spend diamonds on eggs don't have enough to really have a solid chance at getting one. that was the only day i missed and just realized (after saving all my eggs for one) that i missed it. very disappointed

Like I said before, that is to entice you to spend money to get it. There is NO reason otherwise. They are not stupid at all. In fact, it is smart business to make it look like it is attainable when we all know, UNLESS you spend diamonds and real money to buy eggs, you would have a chance. If not, you have to gamble on the lower eggs chests. I am sorry about that. They saw this event as a MONEY GRAB, simple and just a shame it happened liked this. If they would have had the event like last year, with a market place, people would have spent more. The GAMBLING on Chests gets old real fast and tells players/customer we don't care about your feedback and we only want YOUR MONEY.

 

[DeletedUser25166]

There is a lot of complaints about this event. Fact, it is a free event, you choose to pay if you want. Inno is not going to change an event midstream. People keep forgetting this is an event, play and pay or play and hope you have good odds. By the time this event is over, everyone will have 18 watch fires and fighting with drummers and color guards. So what

 

[DeletedUser10789]

Ok All, I understand what you all are trying to say but I have said the entire time, the chances each time stay the same. The ODD's are the same, NO MATTER WHAT. Laws of Probability are different than ODDS. It is proven by if you go to a Casino and watch the Roulette Wheel. People will bet red if black has been coming up. I personally saw with my own eyes in Vegas at the Encore Tower, when the entire screen of previous spins were nearly all black with a few greens (0 and 00) in there. I swear the entire casino was betting on RED. You could not even get to the table and this was during the day, a normal day and in the fall. I even jumped on RED. Everyone lost. People were playing this over and over doubling their bets each time. I was lucky enough to only lose once and then the next time I WON. But as I watched, people all sat there saying, RED has to come next spin. After 20 spins and NO RED, it finally came. Was that ODD, YES it was. I am saying the chance the next time was almost 50/50 with the two greens (0 and 00) in there. The Law of Probability is different than ODDS of a single event occurring. Back to back, you should in theory increase your odds. BUT that is NOT the case at all. All you are increasing is your chances to win that prize. PERIOD.

For baseball fans out there. They say a good hitter bats 300 or .300 that's 30% of the time they get a hit. 3 in 10. 30 out of 100, etc. There are also things called a slump, which we all know happens too. Then there are times when a player gets hot and bats over 500 or 50%. This is NOT normal and is rare, still it does happen. I am NOT a Stats person, I am a gambler by nature being in Finance, Business and Executive Management. That said, In my humble opinion, I have seen too many people say the things they are getting and the NUMBERS DO NOT HOLD UP or SUPPORT the ODDS as stated. PERIOD and that's that. Like I said, have people post their REAL results and let's see the real truth.

Also, I called for a POLL, which we all know will never happen either. So, before you try to tell me about numbers, see what others are saying and how off the numbers may be. I used myself as an example and I have posted my results. All I can go by is my personal results and the frustrations by my fellow guild mates. Like in life, I am sure there are some whom are more luckier than others, again that's life. Still, the ODDS of getting the 25% daily prize will remain 25% each time. I am not saying the Laws of Probability do NOT apply, they do, but don't tell me you should get this and that, when we all know you do not. Please.

Steve - LordStevie

 

[allupinya]

What a shame. Took a fun event and stripped it down to nothing. Best way to show our disapproval is to not spend any money on eggs.

*ADDENDUM: Just to be fair, I have done pretty well with the limited number of eggs thus far, netting 2 Wishing Wells, 1 Reno Kit, and a Shrine of Knowledge. I did however, purchase eggs a couple of days into the event for the first Wishing Well as it was the daily prize and I didn't know if they would come up again. Cheers.

 

[allupinya]

My first reaction for the developers is a big thank you.

Thank you for changing the Easter Event so that it no longer causes chaos with the motivating/polishing aspect of the game. Thank you for eliminating the egg stash that acted like the Forge Point stash (growing by one each hour) but held only 6 eggs. That required players to be on-line for an insane amount of time (logging in 5 times a day) if we wanted to maximize our opportunity for free prizes.

My only negative comment at this point is that the huge blue arrow is annoying. But you already heard that.

Motivating and Polishing wouldn't be an issue if you designed your city in a manner that allowed you to grow and thrive without relying on others to visit your city. Granted, it is nice to have large production and coin buildings double their production, but when, for a couple weeks out of the entire year, a few eggs here and there can get you some pretty cool items, it was well worth it. My first Easter Event netted me some great items, including the Watch Fires that prevented most neighbors from stealing my production. The event back then was completely the opposite of what we have this year, which is lackluster and not a social event at all, unless you count the entire Guild being unhappy with it. I would gladly do without a few coins or supplies to get some good prizes and get neighbors and teammates involved in the game.

 

[DeletedUser11426]

I saveed up 120eggs twice and both times i feel i got robbed with 2 blueprints both times which i don't need

 

[DeletedUser14171]

Strange. I think the back and forth conversations on what the ODDS are is actually better than the event itself. It may be worth the odd hidden egg in the wilderness.

 

[DeletedUser23123]

Well, I fell prey to the INnOs Diamonds Stalker. Actually, it not my fault. A late Birthday Presents from my mom.(Watch It) Guess, she felt sad on how this events got me stirred. She slap a $100 in my PayPal. And behold, 2 Bazaar, 1 Witch Doctor and of course a Color Guard Camp. With 2 Unattached Color Guards. The best part is. I had 18,000 Diamonds. Down to 10,000 now. Bought a lot of dirt.

 

[DeletedUser8152]

Well, I fell prey to the INnOs Diamonds Stalker. Actually, it not my fault. A late Birthday Presents from my mom.(Watch It) Guess, she felt sad on how this events got me stirred. She slap a $100 in my PayPal. And behold, 2 Bazaar, 1 Witch Doctor and of course a Color Guard Camp. With 2 Unattached Color Guards. The best part is. I had 18,000 Diamonds. Down to 10,000 now. Bought a lot of dirt.

Nice mom

 

[DeletedUser25292]

Just how many developers does it take to come up with " Buy one forge pt" anyway?

 

[DeletedUser10789]

Some would say a large sample size, well here you have it. But I will save you the long read, EVENT NUMBERS ARE A SCAM.

So, I started out as some have suggested a larger sample size of opening chests. As such, here are my results from 10 Worlds and all the Eggs spent. You all tell me what the percentages are, as I am sure some will argue it anyway I will present it. Therefore, the numbers will speak for themselves. Again, spread out of 10 Worlds with ZERO DIAMONDS SPENT and NO MONEY SPENT on this EVENT and after these results, why would anyone bother.

Also, let me be VERY CLEAR, these are all GOLD CHESTS, ONLY.
1st. - 2 Observatory Blue Prints ( 11% chance )
2nd. - 200 Eggs ( 13% chance )
3rd. - 2 Observatory Blue Prints ( 11% chance )
4th. - 2 Observatory Blue Prints ( 11% chance)
5th. - Renovation Kit ( 10% )
6th. - 200 Eggs ( 13% chance )
7th. - Foeberge Shop ( 14% chance )
8th. - Foeberge Shop ( 14% chance )
9th. - 200 Eggs ( 13% chance )
10th. - 100 Diamonds ( 25% chance )
11th. - 100 Diamonds ( 25% chance )
12th. - 200 Eggs ( 13% chance )
13th. - Foeberge Shop ( 14% chance )
14th. - Color Guard Camp ( 14% chance )
15th. - 100 Diamonds ( 25% chance )
16th. - Foeberge Shop ( 14% chance )
17th. - Color Guard Camp ( 14% chance )
18th. - 200 Eggs ( 13% chance )
19th. - Color Guard Camp ( 14% chance )
20th. - Foeberge Shop ( 14% chance )
21st. - 1 - Large Forge Point Package ( 6 % )
22nd. - Renovation Kit ( 10% chance )
23rd. - 200 Eggs ( 13% chance )
24th. - 2 Observatory Blue Prints ( 11% chance )
25th. - Foeberge Shop ( 14% chance )
26th. - 2 Observatory Blue Prints ( 11% chance )

There you have it, 26 Gold Chests Opened on 10 different worlds for a breakdown as follows:

6 - Foeberge Shop ( 14% chance ) ---- 6/26 or 23 %
6 - 200 Eggs ( 13% chance ) ---- 6/26 or 23%
5 - 2 Observatory Blue Prints ( 11% chance) ---- 5/26 or 19.2%
3 - Color Guard Camps ( 14% chance ) ---- 3/26 or 11.5%
3 - 100 Diamonds ( 25% chance ) ---- 3/26 or 11.5%
2 - Renovation Kits ( 10% chance ) ---- 2/26 or 7.6%
1 - 1 Large Forge Point Package ( 6% ) --- 1/26 or 3.8%

In Conclusion:

As usual the Daily Prize that is claimed by the game as being a 25% chance of getting for my 26 Opening of Gold Chests (ONLY) the percentage was found to be well MORE than HALF the value stated. In fact, it is 11.5%, when "the game" claims it to be 25%. Further, it seems that the prizes with nearly a half of that value 14%, 13% and 11% respectfully were a lot higher and in 2 cases more than DOUBLE the output, odds and chances of said stated percentages. Now, maybe the numbers are off or someone will come in and point to some random event, like it being a full moon and my internet connection was the absolute best it could have been at each time to make it seem like what it really should be.

Again, the numbers being stated by "the game" and INNO are a flat out lie. This 25% daily prize MYTH is just that a MYTH and maybe 1 or 2 person per server or world may GET LUCKY, I honestly believe the vast majority are getting the wrong side of the NUMBERS. I have asked for some to post up their REAL RESULTS, but then again, I highly doubt "the game" would actually want us to challenge their numbers and say they are not true and our results are not "A" typical.

Sure yell at me and say, "you are even admitting you are not paying for this and you are complaining", duh people. I am pointing out the obvious simple issues, misstatement and lies that are perpetuated by "the game" in hopes people will speak up and see this for what it is. Period. We had a good event once and this train wreck of an event is not only flawed it is just your standard MONEY GRAB designed to lure us into thinking we are getting a FUN and FAIR event. If we like it, we WILL SPEND MONEY ON IT, BUT with ODDS against us, who would want too. Period.

Steve - LordStevie