perverse incentive resulting from intentional systems conflagration

[coderwolf]

Just putting this out there. I have LONG since moved on from being willing to suggest game changes even though I still come up with ideas regularly. Recently I had a friend that left my friend list due to an incentive that was created by the inherent timing of the daily quest system. This inherently reduces the way we use a 1.9 thread idea.

Aiding is a big deal for many. But due to the potential of me getting a quest to 'aid x people' in my daily quest with no ability to swap it out(especially when the number is a high % of actual friends). And the fact that I have had this very thing caused me to miss so many daily quests, I no longer aid. I have even went to the point of engineering the need for aid out of my cities. In order to not require this from others. I try to ensure that a simple happiness boost will give me all I actually need to operate.

Recently however, I had someone get upset with the fact that I dont aid. I mentioned this exact reason. This was not enough for them, so they wanted to unfriend. This reduces the possibilities for a 'friended 1.9' spot take. Yes, I realize that is not the only way for a spot to be taken. It does, however, reduce the pool of 1.9 participants in a time when life is causing so many of us to have less time to actually play. And thereby reduces how quickly these spots can move.

Again, dont if this will be taken in any particular way. And I dont expect anything from come of it. But I wanted to mention it in case inno actually cares enough consider for this kind of convolution in their actual designs.

 

[UBERhelp1]

So let me get this straight. Due to there being potential daily challenges that require you to aid, you don't aid at all, and then are mad that your friends expect you to aid them?

Have you considered just waiting to aid until you saw what the daily challenge was? And for most players, the entire reason of having friends is to give yourself a larger pool of players who will aid you. If you didn't aid me? I'd unfriend you. It seems odd to me that you're mad at the game for an issue caused by your own decision not to participate in helping your friends.

 

[coderwolf]

So let me get this straight. Due to there being potential daily challenges that require you to aid, you don't aid at all, and then are mad that your friends expect you to aid them?

Have you considered just waiting to aid until you saw what the daily challenge was? And for most players, the entire reason of having friends is to give yourself a larger pool of players who will aid you. If you didn't aid me? I'd unfriend you. It seems odd to me that you're mad at the game for an issue caused by your own decision not to participate in helping your friends.

I save the aids for when the quest occurs. This is so they are available for when the quest actually comes.
And not mad. Frustrated more than anything.
As for processing the aids after the quest shows, At the point when the quest occurs it tends to fall off the back end because of time. Usually dues to 4 or more quest in the daily list across multiple worlds. I actually have less than 10 minutes in game for about 4 days a week due to life circumstances at the monent.

 

[Ebeondi Asi]

I boot Friends who do not aid me back. No problem.
If I aid others every day, I expect at least several times a week in return. Does not matter to me.. Just the facts of life.
as for quests. i can aid the Hood. No big deal .. LOL

 

[xivarmy]

If I get an angrygram from someone feeling I am not living up to their friendly expectations I save them the effort and unfriend them myself Thus saving me from getting further angrygrams from them

There's all kinds of people available, and it shouldn't be a problem finding some whose expectations are in line with your own, whatever your own may be.

I don't take it personally when someone unfriends me - it's quite possible I wasn't living up to their expectations, or that they just needed space to invite someone else, or that they're quitting and did the (very) courteous thing of not leaving it to other people to discover they're no longer playing to clear space.

I do get quite irked if they take the time to send me a message lecturing me on what I "should" be doing

 

[coderwolf]

Not even in the least am I degrading the player for unfriending. I get that.
I would look more for a creative solution or methodology to avoid the original problem which is inherent in the conflict between the daily quest and the aiding itself. So far @Uberhelp came closer to an actual workable solution. to which I gave a response...

 

[Pericles the Lion]

Change the time of the Daily Challenge to be when you are on. Open DC, then aid your friends. I aid everybody only because I have a high level SV. I don't even check to see if they aid me in return. Mass Self Aids handle my polyvating.

 

[UBERhelp1]

I save the aids for when the quest occurs. This is so they are available for when the quest actually comes.
And not mad. Frustrated more than anything.
As for processing the aids after the quest shows, At the point when the quest occurs it tends to fall off the back end because of time. Usually dues to 4 or more quest in the daily list across multiple worlds. I actually have less than 10 minutes in game for about 4 days a week due to life circumstances at the monent.

You are able to change the start time of the daily challenge to fit your schedule better. Just hit the settings button. That could help a little bit.

 

[coderwolf]

If I get an angrygram from someone feeling I am not living up to their friendly expectations I save them the effort and unfriend them myself Thus saving me from getting further angrygrams from them

There's all kinds of people available, and it shouldn't be a problem finding some whose expectations are in line with your own, whatever your own may be.

I don't take it personally when someone unfriends me - it's quite possible I wasn't living up to their expectations, or that they just needed space to invite someone else, or that they're quitting and did the (very) courteous thing of not leaving it to other people to discover they're no longer playing to clear space.

I do get quite irked if they take the time to send me a message lecturing me on what I "should" be doing

not taking it personally. In this case it was the actual impact to 1.9 takes keeping moving. Which it appears to me has been harder to actually keep them moving (judging on the 4 worlds I play in).

 

[Angry.Blanket]

Not even in the least am I degrading the player for unfriending. I get that.
I would look more for a creative solution or methodology to avoid the original problem which is inherent in the conflict between the daily quest and the aiding itself. So far @Uberhelp came closer to an actual workable solution. to which I gave a response...

Very simple solution, Check your daily then aid. There is no conflict.

 

[qaccy]

I'd rather aid and potentially lose out on a daily challenge than not aid and potentially lose out on friends.

 

[Darkest.Knight]

Since I have a Seed Vault I aid both f.list and neighbors every day, the occasional reward makes it easy enough. Since I do the 2 groups at different times never seems to be a issue.

 

[Ironrooster]

I set my DC to midnight. This is the same time the event quest dailies drop. That way I can coordinate the two and both are there when I log on the first time that day. You can also aid friends at the same time.

 

[jimakoskx]

So let me get this straight. Due to there being potential daily challenges that require you to aid, you don't aid at all, and then are mad that your friends expect you to aid them?
..

Ha hahahahahaha!!!!

So you are the one that does not give his aid!!!
Hey coder,,give us a picture of your city please!

 

[Emberguard]

The Aid comes around every 24 hrs..... You should be able to time it to check your Daily Challenges and then Aid.

 

[Mor-Rioghain]

I save the aids for when the quest occurs. This is so they are available for when the quest actually comes.
And not mad. Frustrated more than anything.
As for processing the aids after the quest shows, At the point when the quest occurs it tends to fall off the back end because of time. Usually dues to 4 or more quest in the daily list across multiple worlds. I actually have less than 10 minutes in game for about 4 days a week due to life circumstances at the monent.

Through the years I've played I've seen people send out group messsages for all kinds of reasons but I can't help but repeat some of what's already been posted here - why blame your friends when you could have warned them of your inability to play until your life sorts itself out? I think you'd be surprised at how willing people are to be a bit more patient with your lack of aid if they know that you are busy. Just say that you're working extra hours or something - no need to go into detail.

It's a game, Sir, and we all have issues in RL that take us away from our pastime. They've been there, too, and will probably be grateful that you took the little bit of time to let them know and not be so quick to unfriend you.

 

[PJS299]

I aid everyone except my hood. Most of the time no hoodys care.

 

[MaranKarma]

Just aid your friends and wait to aid in neighborhood until you see if there's a quest.