Dr Green Thumb
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For that to happen, Inno would have to block guildies and friends aswell. Why? because any donation made would be considered a snipe if the player has an Arc higher than lv80
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blocking sniping
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Mor-Rioghain
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It sounds like what the OP wants to know relates directly to placing his GBs on a 1.9 thread and what to do about sniping occuring on that particular type of thread. If it's a guild-sponsored thread I'd go to the leaders of the guild and request that the contributor(s) make good on their contributions to honor the thread. If they won't support/enforce it, I'd recommend you find external threads or just find a guild that will stand behind their sanctioned threads. There are far more good and decent guilds out there with people who work hard to make sure that each member is treated fairly than there are bad ones for the most part.
As for "why it's allowed," it's simply a mechanic of the game as has been more than amply explained by others in this post and to avoid that with an almost 100% of success, you'd have to never unlock your GB past level 10 or unattach it from the road. Most people have found that the loss of the GBs boosts are far worse than the FP loss incurred by judicious preloading and other such measures to discourage snipers. Good luck in your endeavors!
As for "why it's allowed," it's simply a mechanic of the game as has been more than amply explained by others in this post and to avoid that with an almost 100% of success, you'd have to never unlock your GB past level 10 or unattach it from the road. Most people have found that the loss of the GBs boosts are far worse than the FP loss incurred by judicious preloading and other such measures to discourage snipers. Good luck in your endeavors!
Johnny B. Goode
Well-Known Member
I may be late to this party, but the issue is on your side of the equation. If they were able to lock the #1 and/or #2 positions for less than 1.9, then you added too much. If you figured "your portion" as including the total of what you needed to donate (assuming all spots get taken at 1.9) and then added it up front, then you screwed up. You should only add enough to prime your GB for the next available spot. Then when that spot is filled, add enough to prime the next spot at 1.9. You donate in pieces, not all at once. When you add it all at once, then the math is on their side, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with them taking the spots for less than 1.9. Others may disagree, but the onus is on the GB owner to protect themselves in these matters, it's not up to others to protect you from your own lack of knowledge. (Your guild leaders should have explained the process to you much better if what I'm saying is how it happened.)
CragAntler
New Member
Sniping is fun, and can be quite profitable. 1.9 threads are a method created by "wealthy" players in an attempt to regulate the FoE community into following unofficial rules which only ensure that the rich get richer, while making it more difficult for new and novice players to move into the wealthier class. Capitalism at its finest. This is a game, however, and since Inno has no rules against sniping, then I find it very amusing how some take the practice so seriously. Certainly a guild can create rules, and if a guild says no sniping of fellow guildies, then probably a good idea to follow that if you wish to remain in your guild. My guild has such a rule, and I avoid sniping my guildies religiously. They "advise" against sniping your friends list, but there are no consequences if you do beyond possibly being unfriended.
I look at this game like TV's Survivor. I can get away with behaviors here I wouldn't even think of in real life, amongst real friends. So sorry if my snipe of your poorly protected GB loses you a few dozen clumps of computer code, but that's how the cookie crumbles, kids. If I snipe your GB multiple times without you saying a word, I assume you're indifferent about it, and I will continue to do so. If you ask me politely to back off and/or top off and respect your 1.9 posting, I'm happy to oblige. You can unfriend me or not, I really don't care. Replacing you with new friends is just a click away. It's how I respond to the occasional sniper of my own GB's, not with butt-hurt feelings, but just a simple request to top off if the GB was on a 1.9 thread. Some do, and some don't. Even a friendly apology w/o a top-off is appreciated, and I'll allow them to stay on my FL, and I always quickly forget about lost FP's because, again, they're just ones and zeroes that I don't actually own, so I'm not going to become a drama queen over someone playing this game in a way that is completely legal as far as Inno is concerned. And since I snipe myself, I refuse to be a hypocrite about it. Just some earned karma as I see it, and if my wealthy guildies are too slow to contribute, it doesn't surprise me when a sniper seizes a tasty opportunity, the bastards!!
I look at this game like TV's Survivor. I can get away with behaviors here I wouldn't even think of in real life, amongst real friends. So sorry if my snipe of your poorly protected GB loses you a few dozen clumps of computer code, but that's how the cookie crumbles, kids. If I snipe your GB multiple times without you saying a word, I assume you're indifferent about it, and I will continue to do so. If you ask me politely to back off and/or top off and respect your 1.9 posting, I'm happy to oblige. You can unfriend me or not, I really don't care. Replacing you with new friends is just a click away. It's how I respond to the occasional sniper of my own GB's, not with butt-hurt feelings, but just a simple request to top off if the GB was on a 1.9 thread. Some do, and some don't. Even a friendly apology w/o a top-off is appreciated, and I'll allow them to stay on my FL, and I always quickly forget about lost FP's because, again, they're just ones and zeroes that I don't actually own, so I'm not going to become a drama queen over someone playing this game in a way that is completely legal as far as Inno is concerned. And since I snipe myself, I refuse to be a hypocrite about it. Just some earned karma as I see it, and if my wealthy guildies are too slow to contribute, it doesn't surprise me when a sniper seizes a tasty opportunity, the bastards!!
Just An Observer
Well-Known Member
I let 1.9 grind any snipers into dust and turn them into donors. Snipers do not come around me very often as a result.
Graviton
Well-Known Member
That's hilarious. Sniping is fun, I agree with that completely. But your categorization of 1.9 threads (as well as capitalism) is nonsense. The 1.9 threads are a way developed by players to exploit the Arc, that's all. Has nothing to do with regulation (which, by the way, isn't much compatible with capitalism), it just has to do with people using their high-level Arcs to their utmost potential. That's capitalism at it's finest. You wanna join the club then level up your Arc, which literally nobody is stopping you from doing, or go away.
Since sniping is considered by many to be stealing, then you should avoid doing it to guildies and friends alike. Or you can ask around; many players don't mind snipers, but as a general rule, it's frowned upon.
The only thing that grinds my gears is when somebody levels a GB and robs me of a double-dip. Other than that I don't really care.
In any endeavor and relationship there are codified rules and there are unwritten ones. You can cross the line of an unwritten rule using the excuse that "it's not officially written down," but that doesn't mean there shouldn't and won't be negative reaction to it. Having an affair isn't illegal but if your SO catches you doing it, you probably shouldn't whine when he or she gets upset about it.
Interesting that you cry about 1.9 threads, which are a voluntary and cooperative endeavor, but then brag about sniping your friends. Quite entertaining, thanks!
Johnny B. Goode
Well-Known Member
I would bet that the player you're responding to has at least a level 80 Arc, for one thing. For another, you're missing his point completely. On that note, I would bet that you've never gotten an angry message from an entitled capitalist for putting less than 1.9 on their GB. I have. Many times. And I laugh my ass off at their request (usually phrased as a demand) that I put the remainder of the 1.9 amount on. Doesn't matter if I have a level 80 or higher Arc in that city or not, I'm not complying with their "regulations". And make not mistake, they are attempting to regulate GB donations, whether or not you're in their guild or even on their friends list. Also, regulation is completely compatible with capitalism, it's just regulation by corporations (or in this case, entitled players) instead of government.
Emperor Grant The Great
New Member
I use my forge points to obtain blueprints and medals by putting them on other player's great buildings. The great building owner get a free level. There is no reason for anyone to bitch about it. It is part of the game. I LMAO at anyone who thinks they are some way being 'sniped'! They should be grateful players are contributing to their great building.
Graviton
Well-Known Member
I don't think I missed the point at all, it's pretty clear.
Corporations don't regulate anything, gov't does, but this isn't an econ nor poly sci class and it's completely off-topic so I'll leave that alone.
Johnny B. Goode
Well-Known Member
Wow, are you naive! Corporations regulate most things. Are you living under a rock?
Well, just to be clear, his point is that 1.9 threads (and the demand for such donations, even from non-participants) are a player construct and not binding in any way on the rest of us. Just as corporations try to force us to do business on their terms.
DreadfulCadillac
Well-Known Member
Not true, the vast majority of economists and other intellectuals would characterize the USA as a capitalist country, and yet (at just the federal level, ignoring the state and local governments) we have hundreds of thousands of regulations on everything from safe work practices to wall street. Some are harmful, and some are beneficial. But to say they are incompatible with capitalism is a joke.
DreadfulCadillac
Well-Known Member
Now, more on topic: I love sniping! Made 3K fp from one 30 minute session of sniping my neighborhood the other day
stymie of Suwannee
Active Member
Personally, I love banging out 15,000 on snipes and having to scrape the barrel to get get the last few in. Then watch my total go from 12 to 1200 to 12,000 to 24,000. Beautiful in it’s mathematical way.
MJ Artisan of War
Well-Known Member
Recently sniped a level 118 Arc in my hood.... Got a lovely message demanding that I donate the full 1.9 amount, which the owner was nice enough to spell out for me.... Said his Arc was high enough and he would never level it if his demand wasn't met..... Totally ignored his post...... a week later he levelled it and my profit came in.... Can't wait to see him in my hood again....
Graviton
Well-Known Member
Not a joke at all, it is true, but of course it depends on how precisely one defines capitalism, as there are different flavors of it. Only gov't can regulate, that's a simple and objective fact of law. Corporations have no power to write laws nor to force anybody to do anything, only gov't has that power. When gov't passes regulations then it's no longer free market capitalism (which I understand to be the definition of the single word "capitalism"), it's a mix of capitalism and socialism. When corporations exert influence over gov't to pass those regulations, that's called regulatory capture, aka crony capitalism. The US is a hybrid of capitalism, crony capitalism, corporatism, and socialism. I'm not debating this, I'm simply explaining my perspective.
On topic: I agree that sniping is fun and profitable! I do it mostly for prints but the FP profit is nice too. I'm adamant about not sniping friends nor guildies. I don't really view sniping as stealing but I know many players do, so I figure if I can attack a neighbor then I can donate less than 1.9 to his or her GBs and it's entirely his or her problem.
Dominator - X
Well-Known Member
Yes, maybe and no. Depends on the circumstances
Because.... that is the beauty of this game.
Dominator - X
Well-Known Member
Every group has its dopey over analyzer who thinks what he writes is brilliant, when in actuality, the above is a bunch of tripe.Sniping is fun, and can be quite profitable. 1.9 threads are a method created by "wealthy" players in an attempt to regulate the FoE community into following unofficial rules which only ensure that the rich get richer, while making it more difficult for new and novice players to move into the wealthier class. Capitalism at its finest. This is a game, however, and since Inno has no rules against sniping, then I find it very amusing how some take the practice so seriously. Certainly a guild can create rules, and if a guild says no sniping of fellow guildies, then probably a good idea to follow that if you wish to remain in your guild. My guild has such a rule, and I avoid sniping my guildies religiously. They "advise" against sniping your friends list, but there are no consequences if you do beyond possibly being unfriended.
I look at this game like TV's Survivor. I can get away with behaviors here I wouldn't even think of in real life, amongst real friends. So sorry if my snipe of your poorly protected GB loses you a few dozen clumps of computer code, but that's how the cookie crumbles, kids. If I snipe your GB multiple times without you saying a word, I assume you're indifferent about it, and I will continue to do so. If you ask me politely to back off and/or top off and respect your 1.9 posting, I'm happy to oblige. You can unfriend me or not, I really don't care. Replacing you with new friends is just a click away. It's how I respond to the occasional sniper of my own GB's, not with butt-hurt feelings, but just a simple request to top off if the GB was on a 1.9 thread. Some do, and some don't. Even a friendly apology w/o a top-off is appreciated, and I'll allow them to stay on my FL, and I always quickly forget about lost FP's because, again, they're just ones and zeroes that I don't actually own, so I'm not going to become a drama queen over someone playing this game in a way that is completely legal as far as Inno is concerned. And since I snipe myself, I refuse to be a hypocrite about it. Just some earned karma as I see it, and if my wealthy guildies are too slow to contribute, it doesn't surprise me when a sniper seizes a tasty opportunity, the bastards!!
Dominator - X
Well-Known Member
I can understand why and you proved their claim by deleting your Arc.
Sledgie
Active Member
Very true. I don't mind teaching the dark arts of sniping to my friends. I've taught several friends those dark arts, to my profit when they helped me with them.