No, I get all that. I was only reporting on what INNO says, that there are 4 areas that impact ranking. We can all speculate what each criterion's weight is. I have done that myself. I was only adding to the conversation what INNO published and thought maybe you had read something else.
*Most* small guilds are complaining because they do not have a vibrant treasury that can keep up with the demands for T-Goods that GBG and (the former) GvG require. Nor do they do much or anything to improve their lot. They would rather spend their time and energy complaining about how unfair everything is and how they can't compete with the larger guilds who do spend the time and energy improving their lot. Guild size has little to do with treasury management. Which, by the way, was the topic of my post, that you responded to.
I dunno about running a guild but organizing a GBG season for my guild is like "herding angry wet hungry cats into a paper bag".
On the two worlds that I'm active in GBG the rankings firmed up more this season. On Tuulech, the top 4 spots are held by the top 4 GBG guilds on the world and in the correct order. On Sinerania, the top 5 spots are held by the top 5 GBG guilds, also in the correct order. There are a few guilds in the top 10 ranking that are there because of a lower league win but that won't matter, they won't be able to get to 1st place. Imo, anxiety regarding the rankings is not warranted. So far, it seems that wins in Platinum will not impact the final Championship result.
We have come in 2nd 3 times in a row in the upper diamond level. We have the 6th most VP. We've had between 130K and 180K fights in each of the past 3 seasons... we are now ranked 21st. There are numerous teams that we've come in ahead of in those 3 seasons that are ranked ahead of us because we are stuck at 0 victories.
I've said all along the rankings are likely only to be valid for the top 3-4 spots. Our top 4 spots are probably the top 4, but not quite the right order. But after that, the rankings are a joke. Spots 5 - 10 will never finish inside the top 4 in top tier diamond. They move down and pick up a victory, then come back up again. Teams that cannot come in top 4 in high diamond have no business being in the top 10.
Not completely accurate. They could try to recruit BlueAjah and Eadyth. They both claim that they do not want to be part of a top guild.
Samesies. We're 9th on the leaderboard but head to head there is only 1 or 2 guilds we can't beat (not sure about one of them since we've never tried) - we have spots open and want to grow, but when people who don't know the actual strength of all of these guilds look at the leaderboard, which I suspect is easily 95% of players, they're going to overlook us. We got matched twice in a row against the strongest GBG guild on our server. 1st place is the 5th strongest GBG guild, 60 members and this will help them grow when they've gotten that solely due to not having to compete with any of the top four for three seasons, whereas the true best guild had to share the map (and vp) with the 2nd/3rd strength guilds and so they can't keep up with the VP of the posers in 1st. It's a true shame. Rankings and matchmaking are both broken. TOC fragment distribution will also make this have a long term impact. Even if we win our next match, we'll just be tied with many guilds who should appear 5th or lower, in terms of victories. Hopefully the RNG Gods will bless us next championship.
Some keep saying that. How much time do you need?
Rankings won't reset with every Championship.
From the event announcement:
Give it six months. Forge is a really long game. If you're in a hurry... Forge is the wrong game for you.
In six seasons, the rankings will reset.
I wish I could agree with you... that is what I wanted to think. But, it just can't and won't clear up. There is no path to simply pick up wins for a guild that comes in 2nd place 3 or 4 or 5 times in a row against the high diamond (1000 LP) guilds. Inno views a win in against 925LP guilds as more far far more valuable than 2nd in place in a group of 1000 LP guilds. A guild that comes in last with zero VP in a season and then gets moved down to platinum and wins with 100 VP is considered stronger than a guild in 2nd with 500K VP two seasons in a row against other 1000 LP guilds. "Wins" are the most important value that matters - and they don't take into account the level of competition for the win. It would be like counting a win in AAA baseball as equal to a win in the Majors.
Completely agree. I am not saying that from the perspective of a guild that keeps getting second place in 1K....
This is a great take. My guild has battled for 3 straight seasons. We push our members and we get a lot of fights. We have come in 2nd and we are ranked 21st. It is hard for us to know that had we just fully taken season 2 off... not done a single fight and got demoted then picked back up in season 3 - we would be ranked higher than we are right now. There is no way you can define that as a good reflection on guild strength.