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[Guide] Dulahan's guidelines to lvl 80 arc rush (and beyond), starting from bronze age

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Salsuero

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Self leveling isn't sustainable, I wouldn't get enough prints to keep going.

Not true. Self-leveling has nothing to do with you getting prints. I didn't say don't donate to others also. I only suggested what to do with your own Arc. I self-level (partially... I have friends for 1st/2nd at this point and just let randoms fill the rest while I self-donate daily until each level pops), but I also invested in other Arcs relentlessly early on to get my print count up (which is the key to your concern about sustainability) and not have to worry about it later on, however I wasn't part of a "group". I spent a large chunk of the time trading 1st places with one other Arc owner at the same level as me, though. I'd have to say that I was probably done needing prints by the time I reached around level 30 or so. It's possible... if you want it to be. There are many ways... I just suggested one. Use as many methods as you can... no real true "best" way in my opinion, except that: the "best" way is the one that works best!
 
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Stupid question I presume, but I'm in Iron, where I've been for all 4 months of my playing. Have lowish level CF, LoA, CDM, HS, Zeus, Traz (one rogue hideout), ToR, Capitol (covers all my pop needs), and level 10 Arc.

I intended to research a tech to move into EMA, and soon after HMA but winter event s*cked, and Forge Ball event is so amazing I don't even need to.

I have room for all the SSW/SOK/TerraceF I own, but ideally would place more GBs, SMB I guess, FoD?, etc. and have 12 goods buildings, which I use to trade 2:1 for progressive goods with someone and sell to my hood usually.

Am I definitely wrong for not moving up to HMA? GE is super easy for me in Iron, not sure how different HMA is. Also I RQ probably 40 times a day? Mostly spend FP since only costs 15 and I'll often drop a couple hundred and UBQ on the round trip, with a couple supply/coin ones tossed in.

Thanks for advice!
Ain't you in a sweet spot?
I ask my self the same questions you posed every time that I park my City. I like to park for a long time, and it always pretty hard for me to decide to tech more up.

So I have a list of critical questions and optional questions.

The parking questionnaire
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"It's the question that drives us", the Matrix, Trinity.

My critical questions regarding whether to move my City are:
1. Do you have enough space for all the important GB's?
2. Did you manage to get all the High Era GB's (Arc, CF, Traz)?
3. Do you have enough space for all the FP buildings?
4. Do you farm GE4 by fight (negotiation is too wasteful)?
5. If I want to join a big guild, what minimal age do they accept?
You answered Yes for all first 4 questions.
What about your guild, you are happy with it? Is it big and active? If so, I don't see a NEED to move on.
Regarding Q5 - I found that a big and active guild is really helpful for any player, especially with Arc leveling. In an active guild you can swap a lot, find partners for 1st rewards (mostly for the Arc BP's) and much more.

The secondary questions I ask my self are:
1. Do I want to participate in higher era GvG?
2. Is there a good reason to get higher era goods?

Notes on the secondary questions -
Q1 - This is my main reason, usually, to advance - to get into higher era fights. Not everyone likes this side of the game.
Q2 - If it's a new world, or I create my own guild, I will need a lot of goods from higher era's. For me and the rest of the guild. I usually don't trade Goods for FP so that is not a motivation for me.

I wonder how many of this questions you find relevant, and what new questions you have for your own city?
 
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DeletedUser32740

How would you alter this for a new world? I'm following this strategy in Yorkton, a world that is currently 74 days old (and I started on day 1). My Arc is lvl 9, and is #32 GB in the server at this moment. The highest Arc in the game is level 12. I make 114 FP/day including quests but not including the FP returned from donations. (Using Dulahan's method, I calculated 169 fp/day if I did include those, but I've not validated that number with data yet). As I focus on my Arc, I'm sure my Arc will be within a few levels of the top Arc, so there are not going to be any helpful lvl 80 peoples to give 1st, 2nd, or 3rd. Is it still a good idea to fracture the group? Or just keep a group of 4 all the way through?

First: I updated my original post to include some more info on how to level the arc. You can check it out.

In a new world things are a little different. First and foremost, you need to get to the FE. If you can easily trade down AF or OF goods for FE goods, then move to these ages. If not, stick to FE and produce as many goods as you can. Everyone will be wanting an arc, so you can sell your goods at fenomenal rates.
You can even sell blueprints. Tell people you will not accept their donations if they don't give you dozens of fps for 1 blueprint. Keep your arc disconnected if need be, to prevent unwanted donations.

A 4 man partnership is still the way to go. Since you won't recieve help from lvl 80 arcs, you never need to split. Just keep taking 1st, 2nd and 3rd place from one another. The bottom two positions you should be seeling (include goods - optional). It's fine to raise some levels outside of this partership if everything else in the routine stays the same. Once you can unlock the building all the way to lvl 80, you can be more flexible and sell more positions.
The problem is finding those 3 partners. If you have connections from a different world, try to hook up with familiar players.
 
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DeletedUser31498

Ain't you in a sweet spot?
I ask my self the same questions you posed every time that I park my City. I like to park for a long time, and it always pretty hard for me to decide to tech more up.

So I have a list of critical questions and optional questions.

The parking questionnaire
----------------------------------
"It's the question that drives us", the Matrix, Trinity.

My critical questions regarding whether to move my City are:
1. Do you have enough space for all the important GB's?
2. Did you manage to get all the High Era GB's (Arc, CF, Traz)?
3. Do you have enough space for all the FP buildings?
4. Do you farm GE4 by fight (negotiation is too wasteful)?
5. If I want to join a big guild, what minimal age do they accept?
You answered Yes for all first 4 questions.
What about your guild, you are happy with it? Is it big and active? If so, I don't see a NEED to move on.
Regarding Q5 - I found that a big and active guild is really helpful for any player, especially with Arc leveling. In an active guild you can swap a lot, find partners for 1st rewards (mostly for the Arc BP's) and much more.

The secondary questions I ask my self are:
1. Do I want to participate in higher era GvG?
2. Is there a good reason to get higher era goods?

Notes on the secondary questions -
Q1 - This is my main reason, usually, to advance - to get into higher era fights. Not everyone likes this side of the game.
Q2 - If it's a new world, or I create my own guild, I will need a lot of goods from higher era's. For me and the rest of the guild. I usually don't trade Goods for FP so that is not a motivation for me.

I wonder how many of this questions you find relevant, and what new questions you have for your own city?

Great questionnaire!
1/2. Have level 4-6 of: CF, LoA, CDM, HS, Zeus, Traz (one rogue hideout), ToR, Capitol (covers all my pop needs), and a level 10 Arc. Need AO goods, but I guess that might be next on my list? FoD would be nice, but really I'm torn between adding more GBs, levelling existing ones to 10, or really trying to get my Arc going. The advice seems to be wait until you make 100+FPs, which seems like that will take years? I've been playing 4 months, and only have 1 TF, 6 SSK/SoK, 1 WW, get 6 FP from GBs, and one bountiful cider mill, so only make like 20 FP/day, outside of sniping.

3. There's nothing in my inventory worth building, except maybe WW, but meh? Forge bowl event seems amazing though so that'll give me things I want to build. I have goods buildings though, so can easily clear out some room.

4. I fight a majority of the battles I'd say? But I have tons of Iron goods and tavern silver (@Stephen Longshanks I bought 10k diamonds and turned it into 20k tavern silver so I'm good there!!!!!), so negotiating doesn't hurt me.

5. One top 5 guild requires HMA, so that is a concern. My current guild is nice, but not very advanced (#50 on server, soon to be level 18). ANd very few Arcs. A few friends are in the sweet spot of Arc levelling, so I jump in there and they pay me back the cost over my reward, while others are level 80 should the need arise. I should definitely switch guilds, especially since this one only opens up level 4 2/3 of time, but I feel bad!!

And yes, the hood is sooooooooo juicy for sniping OoD, and people are happy to get prints from me on higher level GBs.

It's crazy I was planning to jump ahead since forge bowl event is so good, and they don't even require a tech, they really went above and beyond this event!
 

DeletedUser

(@Stephen Longshanks I bought 10k diamonds and turned it into 20k tavern silver so I'm good there!!!!!)
I'm assuming that you're pulling my leg here, since I actually see no direct way to buy Tavern Silver with Diamonds. Did you actually buy 10K Diamonds? Did you do it on mobile? You do know that you get 1k more Diamonds for the same price if you buy them on PC, don't you?
 

DeletedUser31440

I'm assuming that you're pulling my leg here, since I actually see no direct way to buy Tavern Silver with Diamonds. Did you actually buy 10K Diamonds? Did you do it on mobile? You do know that you get 1k more Diamonds for the same price if you buy them on PC, don't you?

I think the option to buy silver is only available if the boost or tavern upgrade you want costs more than the amount of silver that you have available.
 

DeletedUser31498

I'm assuming that you're pulling my leg here, since I actually see no direct way to buy Tavern Silver with Diamonds. Did you actually buy 10K Diamonds? Did you do it on mobile? You do know that you get 1k more Diamonds for the same price if you buy them on PC, don't you?

Correct just having some fun with my buddy!! And I didn't realize it wasn't always available for purchase. But yeah @Ozyman Tremble Weaklings is right, only if you're short on silver do they offer you 2 silver per diamond. So one could buy that last pesky (non-random???) Arc BP for 200 diamonds ORRRRRRR 400 tavern silver!
 

DeletedUser31440

Correct just having some fun with my buddy!! And I didn't realize it wasn't always available for purchase. But yeah @Ozyman Tremble Weaklings is right, only if you're short on silver do they offer you 2 silver per diamond. So one could buy that last pesky (non-random???) Arc BP for 200 diamonds ORRRRRRR 400 tavern silver!

400 tavern silver, easy choice. Everyone knows the Arc is worthless...
 

DeletedUser

Not true, I recently learned that the donated treasury goods count for ranking points, hence the rush to level it to 80.
Yeah...umm...I think the increased % on GB donation rewards has a little bit more to do with it. :)
 

DeletedUser31498

Congrats, Dulahan. I admit I was surprised to see a beginner figuring all this stuff out. This guide can definitely work. What I want to do in this post is to try to put it into a big picture perspective. Just like my post in CR's thread, everything I say here will be based on the fact that our city is in a decently populated world older than 12-18 months.


1. Why build the Arc?
(Dulahan basically covered this, but I want it to be clear)

- It allows you to snipe other peoples gbs for a profit of hundreds of fps per week.
- You can donate with the max 1.9 bonus to people who want it. This allows you to:
  • make a tiny profit (optional).
  • farm medals. In the first month or so of having an 80 arc you should unlock all the medal expansions.
  • farm blueprints for buildings that you will want to take beyond lvl 10.
  • do donate fp quests. If you have a large stockpile of fps and activly seek out people to donate to their buildings, you can do 100-300 quests per day.
- You can attract swap partners with lvl 80 arc to level your other buildings. Never raise any other building past lvl 10 if you do not have the max arc. You will be hemorrhaging forge points.

Without a lvl 80 arc you're playing 50% of this game.

2. When should you start leveling the arc?


Taking your arc to lvl 80 is a long, grueling grind, but one that you must go though to fully enjoy this game. It usually takes between 3 and 6 months.

Things that you need before you start:
  • at least 80-100 fps production per day. This is the bare minimum. I would recommend over 150 pf/day, but you can start with 80 and it will naturaly grow when you add new buildings and start to snipe with your leveling arc.
  • 3 reliable long term partners with similar level arcs (more on this in chaper 3)
  • a city ready to start a long farming period. If you're following CR's heavy questing, this means you must have your snowball great buildings raised to the desired levels. See my post in his thread.
  • a good guild with several 80 arcs willing to help (you can supplement with people in the friends list)
  • a few levels already unlocked past level 10; the more the better

Based on individual playstyle, city status and game world status, there are several ages you can park in to level your arc:
  • High medieval age (see chapter 4).
  • Colonial age (see chapter 4).
  • Modern age - considerably less fps from questing, but more space for special buildings and goods you can actually sell.
  • Contemporary age - even less questing, bigger danger of you getting sniped, but more valuable goods (which you can trade down and sell), easy neighbours to snipe and insanely easy GE (you have two overpowered units to battle your way to 64/48 with negligible casualties).
  • Future age - most sought after goods in most servers (they're needed for the arc), more questing, but less sniping opportunities and even bigger danger of you getting sniped.

Chosing the age is really up to the player.


3. How do you level the arc?
We will assume we already have a lvl 10 arc and the reader is familiar with basic swaps.

The most efficient way is with a 4 man partnership. You each donate x, x-10 and x-20 to one another (plus the contribution rewards).
Levels 11-22: You take 1st, 2nd and 3rd place from one another (~ 1-2 months).
Levels 23-36: You take 3rd, 4th and 5th place from one another. 1st and 2nd place are given to people with max bonus (1.9) who are willing to help (~ 1 month).
Levels 37-73: The partnership is split and you'll have 2 partners. You take 4th and 5th place from one another. 1st, 2nd and 3rd place are given to people with max bonus (1.9) who are willing to help (~ 1 month)
Levels 74-80: The partnership is rejoined. You take 3rd, 4th and 5th place from one another. 1st and 2nd place are given to people with max bonus (1.9) who are willing to help (~ 1-2 months).
You will never lack blueprints.

Tips:
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Along with your daily swap of fps, you should donate all the fps you get from eachother's buildings. If you all decide you want to increase your fps inventory to start donating to people as soon as you get close to lvl 80, then you can ignore the bonus your arcs give and just give back the basic contribution reward.
- There are some levels (arround 40-50 and 60-70) where it's more efficient to give all 5 positions to lvl 80 arcs and complete the level yourself. It's up to you if it's worth it to temporary remove yourself from this arrangement or not.
- Levels 30-60 are very easy. Try to do more than one a day. Levels 44-51 can be done in a single day with few fps spent.
- The hardest levels are 11-25 and 71-80. Try to sell everything you have in stock to speed things up.
- Guard your arc like a hawk. From lvl 30 onward the arc is a prime target for snipers. Suggestions:
  • Arrange your town so that the arc can be easily removed from the road system whenever you want without influecing any other buildings.
  • Never unlock a new level unless you need to; some levels can be sniped from the very start.
  • All 4 partners should collect at the same time, so they can donate at the same time.
  • For levels that can be done in 1 day: unlock the level, ask for help from lvl80 arcs, ask your partners to donate everything, then close the level; do the same thing the next day.
  • For levels that can be done in 2 days: unlock the level, ask for help from lvl80 arcs, ask your partners to donate 2 days worth of fps + the rewards and then close it; take a 1 day break and do the same thing the next day (since there are 4 of you with similar levels, you can close 2 arcs one day and 2 arcs the next).
  • Keep your arc disconnected from the road system when - for whatever reason - it is in danger of being sniped for a large profit.
- Buy FE goods with fps. Trade them down and sell progressive, modern or postmodern goods for a profit. You need guildmates and friends from these ages. AF and OF goods are often hard to trade down. It varies from world to world.
- Once you start leveling the arc, DO NOT STOP. Make this your only priority. Use all your forge points and all your goods. This is an enormous investment and if you get sidetracked, you'll lose heavily.
- Mistakes will happen. You and your partners will fuck up severel times in several ways. Don't get mad and try to keep others from getting mad. Just move on, take the loss and continue.


4. High Medieval Age vs Colonial Age debate

I will assume the reader is doing some form of CR's heavy questing, since these threads are intertwined.

HMA:​
- To reach CA you have to spend arround 1400 fps that can be used on the arc.
- Dulahan's calculations say you can do more quests in this age, but he did not take into consideration a few factors, which can influence the results. Plus, the difference is small. But the fair thing to do is to leave his point here until someone proves him wrong.
- Weaker neighbours

CA:​
- More space for a more efficient city. You can still maintain a decent production of goods from quests if you plant fps production buildings. The more space you have, the more efficient this balance becomes. Thus, more forge points / day.
- Far more medals from quests. Until your arc has a decent level, a lot of your medals will come from quests.
- More gold and supplies in total. You will need to spend a lot of time in the age you park to level the arc, so it's a good idea to use that time to stockpile supplies for future eras. CA is more efficient in this regard.
- You have space to place the Alcatraz and not effect the overall city production that much. Again, you will spend a lot of time in the age you choose, so using that time to produce rogues with the alc is a good idea. You will need thousands of rogues later on.
- The goods you produce are a bit less worthless. You can trade them up for industrial, then progressive goods (which you can keep or sell). Maybe you can even sell them for 4-6 fps / 100 goods.
- Easier to find a top guild. Some top guilds may not accept a player who parks in HMA, but may accept one in CA.
- More snipping oportunities (players in colonial generaly have more GBs)


Conclusion: CA is more efficient overall. Even if you can finish lvl 80 a few weeks earlier in HMA (I doubt it), it's not worth it.



This is all for now. I will update this post when time permits.
I won't talk about the details of Dulahan's guide because, like I said at the beginning, it can work as is. I won't nitpick.
One little thing bugs me though:

This is not true. From industrial age onward, standard goods producion becomes more and more efficient compared to "produce 2 x" quests and UBQs. Dulahan's statement is only valid for ages up to and including colonial.

The one question I have is: you mention one should generate ~100 FPs/day before you embark on power levelling the Arc. I currently produce 20 or so. I've played for 4 months, only gotten one TF, 7 SoK/SSW, bountiful CM, and level 5ish CDM and HS for FPs. I guess I've had bad GE luck in terms of TF/SSW, but getting to 100+ FP/day is going to take forever. I guess I got my Arc to level 10 very quickly relative to the guide suggests maybe since I stayed in Iron, but not sure how to proceed.
 

DeletedUser32740

The one question I have is: you mention one should generate ~100 FPs/day before you embark on power levelling the Arc. I currently produce 20 or so. I've played for 4 months, only gotten one TF, 7 SoK/SSW, bountiful CM, and level 5ish CDM and HS for FPs. I guess I've had bad GE luck in terms of TF/SSW, but getting to 100+ FP/day is going to take forever. I guess I got my Arc to level 10 very quickly relative to the guide suggests maybe since I stayed in Iron, but not sure how to proceed.

CdM lvl 5: 3 fps
HS lvl 5: 3 fps
Bountiful CM: 3 fps
7 SoK/SSW: 7 fps
1 TF: 5 fp
Hourly fp: 24
City Hall: 1-6?
140 friends with red cloth: ~11 fps
Fps from quests: ??

Total: 57-62.
And that's not including quests. If you do 56 quests / day you produce 20 fps on average.
You're more than 3/4 to 100. Btw, I lowered my bare minimum fps production in my post after I thought about it. In some situations you can start with 80-90/day. It depends on your partners aswell. They should not feel you're slowing them down. They might replace you.

P.S. I consider staying in IA to be very inneficient. My advice would be to get your ass out of there.
 
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DeletedUser31498

CdM lvl 5: 3 fps
HS lvl 5: 3 fps
Bountiful CM: 3 fps
7 SoK/SSW: 7 fps
1 TF: 5 fp
Hourly fp: 24
City Hall: 1-6?
140 friends with red cloth: ~11 fps
Fps from quests: ??

Total: 57-62.
And that's not including quests. If you do 56 quests / day you produce 20 fps on average.
You're more than 3/4 to 100. Btw, I lowered my bare minimum fps production in my post after I thought about it. In some situations you can start with 80-90/day. It depends on your partners aswell. They should not feel you're slowing them down. They might replace you.

P.S. I consider staying in IA to be very inneficient. My advice would be to get your ass out of there.

Ah ok thanks, my town hall only adds 1, and obviously i forgot the 24 for free :) / Right I do probably that many quests per day, mostly from FP/UBQ cycles. and maybe 70 friends have red TC, level 6 ToR, so yeah I guess you're right a lot closer to 100 than I thought!!

While more space would be nice, I don't really need it for anything useful in my inventory (have 12 goods buildings going full time I'd be happy to raze for TF/SSW/etc). what age would you recommend to camp?
 

DeletedUser31308

Ah ok thanks, my town hall only adds 1, and obviously i forgot the 24 for free :) / Right I do probably that many quests per day, mostly from FP/UBQ cycles. and maybe 70 friends have red TC, level 6 ToR, so yeah I guess you're right a lot closer to 100 than I thought!!

While more space would be nice, I don't really need it for anything useful in my inventory (have 12 goods buildings going full time I'd be happy to raze for TF/SSW/etc). what age would you recommend to camp?

HMA for many more production quests. 3x2 instead of 4x3 buildings. Squeeze in more quests to get those FP numbers up. Production quests > goods buildings since the former actually produces some FPs on that land, but butchers really suck.
 
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