GBG Battles vs. Negotiations (Top Trader vs. Top Fighter data)

[Loren1979]

That still is not baseline, as lag can play a part. You'd have to measure latency as well. If one really good fighter has a lot of lag, then it will take them longer to do their 100 advances than one who has less lag. That difference only gets bigger the more advances you do.

So do it 10 times with 10 different fighters and 10 different negotiators, or have the same person do both using the same device. The comments that I have liked are comments that have been beneficial. I'll even include your comment as one of the beneficial ones, because you brought up the idea of using the SC and because you brought up the idea of communicating with top players directly.

 

[Loren1979]

This is where my concern lies. There is no strategy that fits your guild, there are only strategies that fit your guild members, individually.

A guild with very active trade threads or players from different levels who synchronize their goods could tip the scales towards negotiations, where a guild that doesn't, might make attack more efficient for the player. As in my case he may want to continue with a particular guild for other reasons.

All well and good, but useless information overall. Regardless of the math, my game will progress the way it does. I fight or negotiate as it suits my needs, not as it suits the guild's needs. Tell me I have to negotiate when I want to fight, or fight when I want to negotiate, you'll likely get neither. I'll just bail, let the province be won or lost without me, and come back later when I can play my game, my way. You'd do well to factor my zeros into your equation.

Useless to you perhaps, but not useless to me. Remember, I'm the one who asked the questions. I have reasons for doing so.

 

[RazorbackPirate]

A guild where with very active trade threads or players from different levels who synchronize their goods could tip the scales towards negotiations, where a guild that doesn't, might make attack more efficient for the player. As in my case he may want to continue with a particular guild for other reasons.

So guild members either comply with the result of your math or they're free to bounce to another guild? That's what you're saying here?

 

[Loren1979]

So guild members either comply with the result of your math or they're free to bounce to another guild? That's what you're saying here?

I better understand your concern now, and it is a valid concern, but, no, that is not even remotely what I am saying here.

 

[Kranyar the Mysterious]

All things being equal, negotiating will never beat fighting. Period.

 

[Loren1979]

Just a reminder to everyone already on this post as well as anyone else who comes on here: We are already aware and have been hitherto sufficiently informed as to the variable nature of FOE. No need to continue posting what we already know. If you have answers to the OP please feel free to post those numbers here. If you do not have answers or do not think the questions are answerable, mosey on and ignore this post; it will eventually disappear. You are free to create your own post where you may discuss the variable and mysteriously unobservable aspects of the game to your hearts content. Again, I am looking for player data and statistics preferably from those who consider themselves to be among the top fighters or top traders of FOE.

 

[plinker2]

If you want to delete any of your replies here as well, you certainly have that right. Not sure why you feel you'd need our permission to do so.

Ok, I am trying to be very understanding here. Either stay ON TOPIC, and try to get along or I will start giving warning points. That starts NOW!!

 

[UBERhelp1]

Again, I am looking for player data and statistics preferably from those who consider themselves to be among the top fighters or top traders of FOE.

IK this season isn't yet over, but as of right now in one of my guilds, 4530 fights and 2210 negotiations were done, which gives a ratio of 4530:4420 of advances per strategy. The two are almost equal, with fighting being up only by about 1% of total advances. This was in a platinum battleground. The fact that the two are almost the same in terms of advances is actually quite interesting; from this it seems the two are equally viable and basically you should choose whichever fits your playstyle the best.

 

[Agent327]

Just a reminder to everyone already on this post as well as anyone else who comes on here: We are already aware and have been hitherto sufficiently informed as to the variable nature of FOE. No need to continue posting what we already know. If you have answers to the OP please feel free to post those numbers here. If you do not have answers or do not think the questions are answerable, mosey on and ignore this post; it will eventually disappear. You are free to create your own post where you may discuss the variable and mysteriously unobservable aspects of the game to your hearts content. Again, I am looking for player data and statistics preferably from those who consider themselves to be among the top fighters or top traders of FOE.

You do not own this thread. This is a free forum, where people are free to post. It is not up to you to decide what they can post, but since you want numbers, I'll indulge you.

This forum has 34.154 members. Number of active members isn't given, but most likely it will be way less than 100.

The US Server Stats

Active Players 175,799 Active Fighters 104,865 Players above 1,000,000 pts 171,826 Players above 100,000 pts 413,104 Players above 5,000 pts 850,607 Players above 10,000 fights 17,892 Players above 1,000 fights 176,814 Players above 100 fights 522,126 Players without a Guild 278,417 Inactive Players 668,216

So over 100.000 active players, which is a bit more than on this forum
Nobody keeps track of trades or negotiations, so no data there.

Top 10 players overall

Meat Butcher	us5	876,883,352
formerFOEplayer	us2	715,680,409
rhans405	us2	700,005,534
oooTooo	us7	685,094,124
PvtPartee	us7	681,713,382
DaiShan	us1	674,581,808
lbrada	us10	667,510,519
colosi	us17	663,539,387
Dylan777	us5	644,217,023
donjwolffe	us2	630,756,625

Top Player for 02-16-2020 is entropy 1 from us17 with 743.32% points increase.

Top Fighter for 02-16-2020 is firebird19881 from us7 with 2,097 battles.

Highest levels Frontenac

us2	LacLongQuan	Progressive Era		Château Frontenac	184	57	62,482	62,425
us3	khq4572	Progressive Era		Château Frontenac	183	1,469	60,958	59,489
us23	General Goods Merchant	Progressive Era		Château Frontenac	170	71	44,221	44,150
us4	NeutralFool	Progressive Era		Château Frontenac	167	11	41,063	41,052
us16	Amaduez	Progressive Era		Château Frontenac	161	19,452	35,409	15,957
us5	Meat Butcher	Progressive Era		Château Frontenac	155	884	30,533	29,649
us3	radoslav1234	Progressive Era		Château Frontenac	154	0	29,788	29,788
us16	Sabes	Progressive Era		Château Frontenac	147	24,377	25,060	683
us13	Dolly Dangereuse	Progressive Era		Château Frontenac	144	6,090	23,271	17,181
us17	shroomy01	Progressive Era		Château Frontenac	144	7,052	23,271	16,219

Now that should keep you busy.

Happy hunting!

 

[Loren1979]

You do not own this thread. This is a free forum, where people are free to post. It is not up to you to decide what they can post,

It is true that I do not own this thread or have control over it; it is also true that this is a free forum, where people are free to post. On this much we agree. Where we may differ is this: I did create the title and the OP, so in a very real sense I created the topic for discussion here. No-one is obligated to post and if they don't like the topic they are free to find one that they like. If this topic shows up in a search and/or someone clicks on this topic they most likely will be expecting some interesting and helpful player data from or about top fighters and top traders. Whether they find what they thought they would find or whether they find it to be a waste of time and go elsewhere looking for what they need depends on us, how willing we are to give due diligence to the subject, and how well we stay on topic. While it is not up to me to decide what people can post, I am free to decide what topic I will create; from there, forum rules, moderators, and sensible forum etiquette should dictate how disparaging commentors may be and how far people may stray from that topic. Again, the topic for discussion here is actual player data, numbers they have observed, clearly defined in the OP, and explained and defended throughout the thread. So far in the thread we have some very helpful player data from several accomplished traders. I am still looking for numbers from top fighters.

since you want numbers, I'll indulge you.

Thank you, although these are not the numbers I was looking for in the OP, they are interesting and helpful. It is beneficial to know what the maximum CF level is currently.

 

[The Lady Redneck]

@Agent327 THANK YOU indeed for your above post. Not for the stats in them as stats are math and that is a four lettered word. . But for the names I see there. Some are players that are still on my FL in different worlds, but more importantly some are in worlds I have not played in for a while and it is great to see they are still around and active in the game. As back when I first started they are the guys who helped and mentored me and what I learned from them is why I am still playing. So Cheers sir

 

[Agent327]

It is true that I do not own this thread or have control over it; it is also true that this is a free forum, where people are free to post. On this much we agree. Where we may differ is this: I did create the title and the OP, so in a very real sense I created the topic for discussion here. No-one is obligated to post and if they don't like the topic they are free to find one that they like.

If this topic shows up in a search and/or someone clicks on this topic they most likely will be expecting some interesting and helpful player data from or about top fighters and top traders. Whether they find what they thought they would find or whether they find it to be a waste of time and go elsewhere looking for what they need depends on us, how willing we are to give due diligence to the subject, and how well we stay on topic.

While it is not up to me to decide what people can post, I am free to decide what topic I will create; from there, forum rules, moderators, and sensible forum etiquette should dictate how disparaging commentors may be and how far people may stray from that topic.

Again, the topic for discussion here is actual player data, numbers they have observed, clearly defined in the OP, and explained and defended throughout the thread. So far in the thread we have some very helpful player data from several accomplished traders. I am still looking for numbers from top fighters.

I showed you where to get them, but I already noticed you go about data in a very strange way. You have had some player data, but where is the proof it is from what you label as "accomplished traders"? What does make someone an "accomlished trader" and is that "accomplihed trader" the top trader you are looking for?

Thank you, although these are not the numbers I was looking for in the OP, they are interesting and helpful. It is beneficial to know what the maximum CF level is currently.

These numbers show you where you can get the numbers you want. Now it is up to you to get them. Do not even expect you to share them, since this is your secret project..

 

[Loren1979]

You have had some player data, but where is the proof it is from what you label as "accomplished traders"? What does make someone an "accomlished trader" and is that "accomplihed trader" the top trader you are looking for?

I would consider someone who commonly completes around 1000 rqs per day and can do 70 successful negotiations an hour, average 130 negotiations per day, and attain an attrition level of 193, an accomplished trader, at the very least an accomplished negotiator, if someone wants to get technical. If you or someone else has higher or more precise numbers than dontwannaname please feel free to post them here, but I can work with the numbers that he provided.

Do not even expect you to share them, since this is your secret project..

I am planning to post the results here as soon as I find the time to finish gathering the info and assemble it.

 

[Agent327]

I would consider someone who commonly completes around 1000 rqs per day and can do 70 successful negotiations an hour, average 130 negotiations per day, and attain an attrition level of 193, an accomplished trader, at the very least an accomplished negotiator, if someone wants to get technical. If you or someone else has higher or more precise numbers than dontwannaname please feel free to post them here, but I can work with the numbers that he provided.

OK. Just thought you wanted the "top", since you keep mentioning that.

 

[Loren1979]

So after checking with some top fighters, here are some numbers:

1. Top attack boost = 1850/575

2. Top attrition level = 130 -140 (attack penalty 6000%)

3. Can auto-battle without looking for reset battles up to attrition level 40

4. After level 40 starts looking for the easier battles to avoid losing units, but does not battle manually.

If we figure approximately 10 seconds per battle for the first 40 battles (this allows time for holding back a unit for the first round before hitting auto) and an extra 10 seconds per battle from level 40 to 100 we come up with a conservative figure of just under 27 minutes to fight 100 battles. Siege camp support is not relevant to this comparison so it is not included in these numbers. Everyone is welcome to take a look at these numbers and let us know if they can come up with a more precise time duration for fighting 100 battles with this kind of attack boost. I would like to stay on the conservative side of the end result.

 

[Agent327]

So after checking with some top fighters, here are some numbers:

1. Top attack boost = 1850/575

2. Top attrition level = 130 -140 (attack penalty 6000%)

3. Can auto-battle without looking for reset battles up to attrition level 40

4. After level 40 starts looking for the easier battles to avoid losing units, but does not battle manually.

If we figure approximately 10 seconds per battle for the first 40 battles (this allows time for holding back a unit for the first round before hitting auto) and an extra 10 seconds per battle from level 40 to 100 we come up with a conservative figure of just under 27 minutes to fight 100 battles. Siege camp support is not relevant to this comparison so it is not included in these numbers. Everyone is welcome to take a look at these numbers and let us know if they can come up with a more precise time duration for fighting 100 battles with this kind of attack boost. I would like to stay on the conservative side of the end result.

Great results!

You do know these were already known and mentioned on this forum?