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Manafort...convicted felon...

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DeletedUser13838

They should be dismantled, or at least significantly downsized. The specific departments in question the federal government has no Constitutional authority to be involved in anyway. Commerce, Labor, Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development, Transportation, Energy, Education, no Constitutional authority.
Article III Section 2 of the constitution says that consitutional authority is whatever the supreme court says it is. Not whatever you or I say. So until the supreme court rules that there is no consitutional authority for X then there is constitutional authority for X.
 

DeletedUser

I also knew who I was voting for, and if he won, we'd have a bombastic, acerbic, highly intelligent, narcissistic, master negotiator, serial philanderer, as President
To help you out, I've underlined the misconceptions you have about the clown in the White House. He is neither highly intelligent (unless you ask him), nor a master negotiator, as he showed in the debacle with the North Korean dictator. What he is is an entitled son of a rich man who has bullied everyone in his path his entire life.
 

ahsay

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You won't get much argument from me, I wouldn't let him babysit my kids. But I stopped caring about a President's personal and sexual behavior with 'ol Billy boy. After 20 years of telling me I shouldn't care, don't tell me it matters now.

I love how you ignore the crimes and only address "sexual behavior". Great way to deflect. Millions spent for a blowjob...only repubturds would pay millions of dollars for something most of the country gets for free. Whitewater...what a joke. No convictions not one. Either repubturds are incompetent or there were no crimes.

How many of the Orange clowns minions need to get fired, convicted or resign before even the dumbest of the stupidest idiots in the country will admit, their boy is worthless?
 

DeletedUser35712

Seriously, the man has been in the public eye for the past 35-40 years of his life and the moment he announces, he's evil incarnate?
Are you seriously denying the fact he had that "spoiled playboy" reputation over the past 35-40 years?
He passed several tariffs on various products including steel, aluminum, solar panels, washing machines, and other Chinese products, which against the consensus among economists. I despise politicians who try to pass tariffs and barriers to free trade. Even Bernie the dingus agrees with Trump on twitter on the tariffs, so Trump is essentially borrowing the same plan as the silly socialists want. Horseshoe theory here we come. And because of China's retaliation to the trade wars with agricultural tariffs, Big Government is going to have to bring big bucks to make the farmers into welfare queens. Trump is emulating the tactics that communists are using, and like all communists, or people who pursue the communist agenda, they deserve all the hate and vitriol they get.
 

DeletedUser35712

Since its inception, all objective measurements have shown it to be a dismal failure. In the 40 years since Education was federalized, we've seen lower test scores, higher dropout rates, falling rates of literacy, this goes on and on. We used to have an education system that was the envy of the world. Sadly, that is no longer the case.

Merging the Dept. of Education with the Labor Dept. is not the way to go. The best way to serve americans is to completely dismantle the agency, stay out of education policy and return to what worked, which was state, county, and local control of education.

The issue with trying to make this correlation work is that the United States just came out of World War II as the wealthiest country in the world, and other countries have had massive amounts of destruction. The US education system was only the best during the years when other countries were struggling to build back their own system from the damage of WWII.

Trying to dismantle the Department of Education and going for state, county, and local control of education is a freaking lolbertarian move. Potentially, schools could be teaching Creationism instead of evolution to satisfy the religious nuts in their district. I am highly doubtful that the state, county or local governments are not susceptible to quackery, as we've seen in many places that Creationism is taught. Also, several series of history textbooks have been praising America uncritically, and these books were passed by the Texas state governments.
 

DeletedUser35712

Smell my finger...hehehehehehe
This is the top-notch quality discourse that can be found in political discussions. Really makes your IQ go up to 1000000000000000000000000 just by reading it.
 

ahsay

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This is the top-notch quality discourse that can be found in political discussions. Really makes your IQ go up to 1000000000000000000000000 just by reading it.

How true. Why do you think I reread it often. Thanks for the compliment.

I was being deliberately facetious in an effort at irony. Here's another attempt at it. The Orange clown effect affects even the most erudite. I'd explain the statement to you but then you'd bleed from every pore.
 

DeletedUser35712

How true. Why do you think I reread it often. Thanks for the compliment.

I was being deliberately facetious in an effort at irony. Here's another attempt at it. The Orange clown effect affects even the most erudite. I'd explain the statement to you but then you'd bleed from every pore.
If one craps their pants ironically, they still are a fool because they crapped their pants. Going that low for somewhat serious discourse, even in a joking manner, makes you look like a fool.
 

RazorbackPirate

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Perhaps this mythical left, as I've never met anyone who identified themselves squarely in that corner appears unhinged because their neighbors elected a bombastic, narcissistic, master of his fathers donations, serial philanderer, as President. And now reality TV is now being played out for the world to see with America playing the role of the bumbling fool villain.
This is what's funny to me. They're so overwrought they'll no longer even talk to their neighbor or go to their barbeques. Just opposed to anything and everything because, well ... Trump! It's hilarious.
More frustrating is the thought they chose this for us because they couldn't bring themselves to vote for a woman Clinton.
Oh please, I know you're smarter than this. People couldn't bring themselves to vote for a Clinton. Full-stop. Her genitalia had nothing to do with it. That couple raped and pillaged their way through 8 years of the Presidency once, no way I was giving them a second bite at that apple. Whitewater, Filegate, Travelgate, Vince Foster, ovenights in the Lincoln bedroom, one scandal after the other, Hillary at the center of them all. They were just winging it then. Now, 20 years later, having perfected their craft, with the sham Clinton foundation selling access? No way. No f'ing way.
However that is not true, as most Americans did vote for Clinton when faced with that choice despite what he keeps telling himself and anyone who's still listening.
Trump won the race they were in. Hillary won the race they were NOT in.

When you look a nationwide map of the county by county results of the 2016 presidential election, you see a vast sea of red interspersed with blue dots. You look at the dots and you can see there's Detroit, that must be Houston, LA, San Francisco, they're all there. So the Electoral College worked exactly the way it was designed. It kept the population in the metropolitan centers from completely overwhelming the voice of those in the less populated areas.

It's why we live in a Republic and not a Democracy. The Electoral College is the compromise that created the nation and has kept us together for over 200 years.

I can understand why people vote republican and if I try really hard I can almost understand why someone would think to vote for him. I liked Sanders for the same outsider of the party nonsense that's ruined our elections for years. I cannot understand how now, seeing who he is and all he has done and tried to do, every American, no matter who they pulled that lever for isn't calling for his resignation.
It's not like we had a choice. It was Hillary or it was Trump. No way on column A, so I guess it's column B.

What has he done, or tried to do, that every American, no matter who they pulled that lever for, should be calling for his resignation? Seriously, be specific. What has he done or put into law that has been, or will be harmful to the nation?

Even in the midst of their demise,
Trump is not in the midst of his demise. If anything, he's well on his way to re-election.

Every other sitting president had a decorum and general concern for the welfare of the nation.
Only a fool could think Trump was going to bring decorum to the office, that ain't Trump. But how could anyone for a minute doubt that Trump does not have a general concern for the welfare of the nation? Securing the borders, renegotiating bad trade deals, supporting veterans, tax cuts, everything are all from his general concern for the welfare of the nation. That Trump ran for President at all is from his general concern for the welfare of the nation.

Trump and his anti media, anti 'left' anti facts mantras are toeing the line of actually asking for civil war. Everything is a travesty and a witch hunt in his eyes and he gets in front of crowds of supporters, national broadcasts and twitter to tell everyone that virtually nightly. Anderson Cooper may talk some trash but he isn't the president of the USA with the nuke codes in hand and Great Leader Kim, or RocketMan whatever he is to Trump this week on speed dial.
The media has been a disaster for years. Having been on the inside, and the focus of it's wrath on many occasions, no one know this better than Trump. He knows their ways, he knows how to get around them, and he uses that skillfully to his advantage. He makes sure that he controls the narrative.

The right shows up to political rallies to hear speeches, then peaceably returns home when it's done. The left marches in the streets, shuts down traffic, shuts down speeches, overturns and burns police cars, loot businesses, beat people senseless for their choice of hat, shirt, or bumper sticker, and are lauded on social media for denying others service. Antifa? BLM? You may be right about civil war, but it is the left and their violence and rhetoric that will bring it.

Seriously, with the Kim Jong Un thing. You're going to try to discount that Trump got North Korea to the table for face to face denuclearization talks? 'Cause a quickly escalating North Korea was such a fun ride, right?
 

DeletedUser31440

'Cause a quickly escalating North Korea was such a fun ride, right?

When I was still in the services it was pretty fun. Gave a sense of purpose to our war games with Japan and South Korea. Lots of reasons for subs to be on alert so we were going on Western Pacific deployments more frequently, so more chances to visit Japan, South Korea, Phillipines and the Marianas Islands. Was over there when the tsunami hit Japan, we were in the middle of war games, all the Japanese went quiet and stopped responding to us, we couldn't reach any of the US bases for about 3 hours so went to battlestations, switch over to ultra-quiet mode, and started steaming towards a pre-set strike position to put warheads on foreheads. All ended up being for naught, but it was a pretty exciting couple of hours.

Edit: Spelling
 

DeletedUser35712

The right shows up to political rallies to hear speeches, then peaceably returns home when it's done.
The right has done its fair share of violent protesting. Us boys on the right aren't angels by any means.
Charlottesville
https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/10...ille-virginia-white-nationalist-protests.html
Portland
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...as-far-right-marchers-clash-with-anti-facists
London
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...ed-at-right-wing-pro-trump-protests-in-london
Seattle
https://www.gulf-times.com/story/603371/Right-wingers-slam-left-wing-violence-at-Seattle-p

And the overall trend is that the left has been less violent than the right over the course of many years:
https://www.npr.org/2017/06/16/533255619/fact-check-is-left-wing-violence-rising
 

DeletedUser

Seriously, with the Kim Jong Un thing. You're going to try to discount that Trump got North Korea to the table for face to face denuclearization talks?
More like Kim Jong Un got Trump to the table...and gave him nothing. Kim Jong Un used Trump, and Trump isn't even aware enough to realize it.
 

ahsay

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If one craps their pants ironically, they still are a fool because they crapped their pants. Going that low for somewhat serious discourse, even in a joking manner, makes you look like a fool.

Sure...if, of all the things I said, that's all you want to focus on. Fortunately your's is not the opinion I rely upon nor should anyone else. Calling yourself, "The VillagerIdiot" is going pretty low for someone that wants to have serious discourse.

I'll indulge you...how does one crap their pants "ironically"? How did you succeed at it?
 

RazorbackPirate

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Article III Section 2 of the constitution says that constitutional authority is whatever the supreme court says it is. Not whatever you or I say. So until the supreme court rules that there is no constitutional authority for X then there is constitutional authority for X.
No. It emphatically does not say that. Nothing near to that.

According to your logic, if it has not been ruled by the Supreme Court to be unconstitutional than it is constitutional. That's not how it works. The Constitution gives specific roles and responsibilities to the Federal Gov't then in the 10th Amendment says, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Meaning, unless the document gives them the authority, they have no authority.

Please, tell me you're not that clueless and that's all just internet trolling.
 

DeletedUser35712

Sure...if, of all the things I said, that's all you want to focus on. Fortunately your's is not the opinion I rely upon nor should anyone else. Calling yourself, "The VillagerIdiot" is going pretty low for someone that wants to have serious discourse.

I'll indulge you...how does one crap their pants "ironically"? How did you succeed at it?

I was giving a suggestion that saying irrelevant weird things in a “serious” discussion such as “sniff my finger” make you sound petty and immature, even though you meant it in jest. Razor probably thought you were crazy in posting that. Please don’t put my username on the same level as that comment of yours. I didn’t use my username in this discussion yet.

I didn’t focus on the rest of what you said because I agree with a lot of what you had to say.

Crapping your pants ironically means you crap your pants for jokes.
 

ahsay

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Kim Jong Un just screws around with everybody. Don't disparage Trump for being played. Kim Jong Un has messed with everybody.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/1...yang-nuclear-weapons-diplomacy-asia-security/

Now that's the spirit. See, how much fun being facetious is? If you want to be a true winner...try combining that with satire, irony, mockery or any other number of humor vehicles. Or were you engaging in, "...somewhat serious discourse" and I missed the mark?
 

RazorbackPirate

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I love how you ignore the crimes and only address "sexual behavior". Great way to deflect. Millions spent for a blowjob...only repubturds would pay millions of dollars for something most of the country gets for free. Whitewater...what a joke. No convictions not one. Either repubturds are incompetent or there were no crimes.

How many of the Orange clowns minions need to get fired, convicted or resign before even the dumbest of the stupidest idiots in the country will admit, their boy is worthless?
What are Trump's crimes? I'll address them if you list them.
 
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