DeletedUser8152
Those are inferior arrows because they are not a beautiful graded blue. You're going to have to step up your game to compete with Inno here!
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DeletedUser8420
I posted message in guild advising guildies to make their voices heard in the Easter Event Proposal with a link for added convenience. Might I suggest others do the same.
DeletedUser11427
If things in your city are not getting motivated, you need to revamp your friend list, and also speak to your guild leaders about M/P policies in the guild your in. In the beginning, I also M/Pd my whole hood, and a good portion now M/P me back.
DeletedUser9184
Eggs in the wilderness do not disappear. They will stay until the end of the event.Combine that with the anxiety of possibly losing a wilderness egg when you log out or when you participate in the event (opening chests?)
DeletedUser8152
That is good to know, thanks.
DeletedUser20063
get 1209 eggs. This does not count what you find in your wilderness or from opening chests. With that math you can open 10 gold chests. By doing that you get 200 tulips which only allows you to get the grand prize once. I'm going to wait until I really want the daily prize to spend those eggs. Most likely later in the event. Good luck....Wish I could ask you all for eggs.
DeletedUser20063
Sorry^^^^
I did a little math here. If you collect the eggs from your town hall everyday and do both quests you will get 1209 eggs. This does not count what you find in your wilderness or from opening chests. With that math you can open 10 gold chests. By doing that you get 200 tulips which only allows you to get the grand prize once. I'm going to wait until I really want the daily prize to spend those eggs. Most likely later in the event. Good luck....Wish I could ask you all for eggs.
I did a little math here. If you collect the eggs from your town hall everyday and do both quests you will get 1209 eggs. This does not count what you find in your wilderness or from opening chests. With that math you can open 10 gold chests. By doing that you get 200 tulips which only allows you to get the grand prize once. I'm going to wait until I really want the daily prize to spend those eggs. Most likely later in the event. Good luck....Wish I could ask you all for eggs.
DeletedUser20063
At least maybe release what the daily prizes for the event will be so we can plan. The wiki just has the first 2 days.
DeletedUser25151
schweitzer, you should also factor in the eggs you can get by opening the chests. The expected return from opening 10 golden chests is 344 eggs with 13% chance to receive 200 eggs and 7% chance to receive 120 eggs. By opening 10 chests, you would find 50 more eggs in the wilderness and that would make a total of 394 eggs. You would then open 3 more golden chests, and you would expect to get 103.2 eggs back, 60 tulips and 15 eggs in the wilderness. If you add them together and the the remaining 30 from 394 eggs, it would make 148.2 eggs for another shot at the golden chest and give you 20 more tulips. With 280 tulips, you can get the second grand prize, which is a SoK.
DeletedUser24322
schweitzer, you should also factor in the eggs you can get by opening the chests. The expected return from opening 10 golden chests is 344 eggs with 13% chance to receive 200 eggs and 7% chance to receive 120 eggs. By opening 10 chests, you would find 50 more eggs in the wilderness and that would make a total of 394 eggs. You would then open 3 more golden chests, and you would expect to get 103.2 eggs back, 60 tulips and 15 eggs in the wilderness. If you add them together and the the remaining 30 from 394 eggs, it would make 148.2 eggs for another shot at the golden chest and give you 20 more tulips. With 280 tulips, you can get the second grand prize, which is a SoK.
Don't bother wasting your time or money. Bought eggs with diamonds....bought 3 large chests...got 3 Reno kits in a row. When I pointed out to support that the odds of doing that are 1000:1. I was told "But just like a lottery, no matter how unlikely you are to win, someone eventually does. There is nothing support can do to change your rewards. I apologize for any inconvenience.". Really?? My reply to that:
That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it, but your logic is flawed. I have spent hundreds of dollars in just the last few months on this game, but doubt I will be spending any more. Too bad as I really enjoy the game. But as in the past with other games, if paying players are ignored, you just stop paying. Problem solved. Thanks anyways, Mike
DeletedUser25151
Dude, my math can be a bit off as I did the calculation off the top of my head without verifying, but that's the way it should have been calculated as your mathematically expected egg count doesn't reach 0 after opening 10 chests "based on the percentages given" and just because you got an outcome of 1:1000 (yeah, not 1000:1) neither makes my logic flawed although saying so makes you pretty much an illogical person, nor proves that the percentages given by Inno are wrong.
Speaking of anecdotal experiences, I received two SoK's, 70 eggs back and a watchtower from the first 4 chests I opened, and after opening more chests it evened out. My sample size was 10 times bigger than yours, but it's still an anecdotal evidence due to small sample size, and it still doesn't confirm that the percentages are correct regardless of the fact that it is statistically more reliable than your evidence.
Speaking of anecdotal experiences, I received two SoK's, 70 eggs back and a watchtower from the first 4 chests I opened, and after opening more chests it evened out. My sample size was 10 times bigger than yours, but it's still an anecdotal evidence due to small sample size, and it still doesn't confirm that the percentages are correct regardless of the fact that it is statistically more reliable than your evidence.
DeletedUser10789
Well, after looking at what is happening here and going on, I am sure my post will be modified and/or I will be given an infraction due to what I am about to say. That said, I will say what everyone is thinking or does not want to say, BUT I WILL. As I am sure right now, I am enemy number 1 by the game, as I am calling them out on what they are doing.
So, it goes like this. We can all agree that one of the Top 3 Prizes in the game is the Shrine of Knowledge (SoK). Funny, how the daily prize for today is the Shrine of Knowledge (SoK) and we all MUST WONDER, how can we possibly get one, WITHOUT gambling our eggs on low level chests with very low percentages of attaining/winning one. Let's do the math here. If you collected your daily 15 for yesterday and completed all quests to date and even collected all these wonderful eggs in the trees, you should have about 90-95 eggs, respectfully. If you happen to get lucky and collected for today's daily 15, just add 15 more for a total of about 108-110. Me personally, I have 109 on my Primary and I would like to think my collection is about NORMAL.
Now, with 110 eggs, you can choose to buy (GAMBLE) on a Bronze Chest (with it's 7% drop rate) two (2) times. OR you can choose to buy (GAMBLE) on a Silver Chest (with it's 13% drop rate) ONCE (1) time. The numbers respectfully, are 93% AGAINST and 87% against you getting a Shrine of Knowledge. Those numbers are down right AWEFUL and you have a better chance of finding a Blue Print while you M/P your hoods.
This is where "the game" and INNO GAMES ARE FORCING you to spend REAL MONEY, which is crystal clear from the beginning and some (like myself) have stated they would. Here in the USA, Internet Gambling is ILLEGAL and as such, forcing someone to pay up for a prize on a GAME that they ADVERTISE is FREE to PLAY on the Television is FRAUD and MISREPRESTATION. As such, I cannot wait to hear their excuse to all the consumer complaints they will receive. I find this absolutely deplorable and DISHONEST by a Company who markets itself as a FREE GAME to PLAY and then FORCE PLAYERS to PAY UP for something that they know full well that this Daily Prize is a Top 3 coveted Item in the game. But we all know now that this event was all a MONEY GRAB and to get the most they could from the players. I WILL NOT PAY ONE MORE DIME to play this phony game when they try to FORCE their own players to pay up for tuff and GAMBLE their money on a game.
International Laws are still governing and State Regulations are still applicable here, as the have to comply to these laws, in order to conduct and do business within any and all States and the Country of the United States. GAMBLING is what "the game" is forcing us to do, PERIOD. If you agree or not, these are FACTS and those facts CANNOT BE DISBUTED.
Again, nothing here I have stated is in anyway an Violation of any TOA/TOS respectively (Terms of Agreement/Terms of Service). Also, I am about to review this agreement we all agreed to, to see if it says anything about forcing us to GAMBLE and VIOLATE LOCAL, STATE and FEDERAL LAWS. Now, let's all hope this post does not get removed and some will try to NOT censor my "feedback" on this event.
Steve - LordStevie
So, it goes like this. We can all agree that one of the Top 3 Prizes in the game is the Shrine of Knowledge (SoK). Funny, how the daily prize for today is the Shrine of Knowledge (SoK) and we all MUST WONDER, how can we possibly get one, WITHOUT gambling our eggs on low level chests with very low percentages of attaining/winning one. Let's do the math here. If you collected your daily 15 for yesterday and completed all quests to date and even collected all these wonderful eggs in the trees, you should have about 90-95 eggs, respectfully. If you happen to get lucky and collected for today's daily 15, just add 15 more for a total of about 108-110. Me personally, I have 109 on my Primary and I would like to think my collection is about NORMAL.
Now, with 110 eggs, you can choose to buy (GAMBLE) on a Bronze Chest (with it's 7% drop rate) two (2) times. OR you can choose to buy (GAMBLE) on a Silver Chest (with it's 13% drop rate) ONCE (1) time. The numbers respectfully, are 93% AGAINST and 87% against you getting a Shrine of Knowledge. Those numbers are down right AWEFUL and you have a better chance of finding a Blue Print while you M/P your hoods.
This is where "the game" and INNO GAMES ARE FORCING you to spend REAL MONEY, which is crystal clear from the beginning and some (like myself) have stated they would. Here in the USA, Internet Gambling is ILLEGAL and as such, forcing someone to pay up for a prize on a GAME that they ADVERTISE is FREE to PLAY on the Television is FRAUD and MISREPRESTATION. As such, I cannot wait to hear their excuse to all the consumer complaints they will receive. I find this absolutely deplorable and DISHONEST by a Company who markets itself as a FREE GAME to PLAY and then FORCE PLAYERS to PAY UP for something that they know full well that this Daily Prize is a Top 3 coveted Item in the game. But we all know now that this event was all a MONEY GRAB and to get the most they could from the players. I WILL NOT PAY ONE MORE DIME to play this phony game when they try to FORCE their own players to pay up for tuff and GAMBLE their money on a game.
International Laws are still governing and State Regulations are still applicable here, as the have to comply to these laws, in order to conduct and do business within any and all States and the Country of the United States. GAMBLING is what "the game" is forcing us to do, PERIOD. If you agree or not, these are FACTS and those facts CANNOT BE DISBUTED.
Again, nothing here I have stated is in anyway an Violation of any TOA/TOS respectively (Terms of Agreement/Terms of Service). Also, I am about to review this agreement we all agreed to, to see if it says anything about forcing us to GAMBLE and VIOLATE LOCAL, STATE and FEDERAL LAWS. Now, let's all hope this post does not get removed and some will try to NOT censor my "feedback" on this event.
Steve - LordStevie
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DeletedUser24322
Dude, my math can be a bit off as I did the calculation off the top of my head without verifying, but that's the way it should have been calculated as your mathematically expected egg count doesn't reach 0 after opening 10 chests "based on the percentages given" and just because you got an outcome of 1:1000 (yeah, not 1000:1) neither makes my logic flawed although saying so makes you pretty much an illogical person, nor proves that the percentages given by Inno are wrong.
Speaking of anecdotal experiences, I received two SoK's, 70 eggs back and a watchtower from the first 4 chests I opened, and after opening more chests it evened out. My sample size was 10 times bigger than yours, but it's still an anecdotal evidence due to small sample size, and it still doesn't confirm that the percentages are correct regardless of the fact that it is statistically more reliable than your evidence.
The odds of winning a Reno kit 3 times in a row is 1000:1 (odds are always listed this way). 10% chance 3 times in a row mathematically works out to the formula .1 x .1 x .1 = .001 or 1000:1. If I was talking outcome, the number would have been 0:3.
So "Dude"...you need go back to school.
DeletedUser8152
No one is forcing you to spend money, you don't need to win a shrine to play the game. And if you do choose to spend money, then it isn't "gambling" because you don't get money (or anything else of real value) back if you win. At any rate, it's no different than the winter, summer, or any other event where chance plays a role.This is where "the game" and INNO GAMES ARE FORCING you to spend REAL MONEY, which is crystal clear from the beginning and some (like myself) have stated they would.
DeletedUser24322
Well, after looking at what is happening here and going on, I am sure my post will be modified and/or I will be given an infraction due to what I am about to say. That said, I will say what everyone is thinking or does not want to say, BUT I WILL. As I am sure right now, I am enemy number 1 by the game, as I am calling them out on what they are doing.
So, it goes like this. We can all agree that one of the Top 3 Prizes in the game is the Shrine of Knowledge (SoK). Funny, how the daily prize for today is the Shrine of Knowledge (SoK) and we all MUST WONDER, how can we possibly get one, WITHOUT gambling our eggs on low level chests with very low percentages of attaining/winning one. Let's do the math here. If you collected your daily 15 for yesterday and completed all quests to date and even collected all these wonderful eggs in the trees, you should have about 90-95 eggs, respectfully. If you happen to get lucky and collected for today's daily 15, just add 15 more for a total of about 108-110. Me personally, I have 109 on my Primary and I would like to think my collection is about NORMAL.
Now, with 110 eggs, you can choose to buy (GAMBLE) on a Bronze Chest (with it's 7% drop rate) two (2) times. OR you can choose to buy (GAMBLE) on a Silver Chest (with it's 13% drop rate) ONCE (1) time. The numbers respectfully, are 93% AGAINST and 87% against you getting a Shrine of Knowledge. Those numbers are down right AWEFUL and you have a better chance of finding a Blue Print while you M/P your hoods.
This is where "the game" and INNO GAMES ARE FORCING you to spend REAL MONEY, which is crystal clear from the beginning and some (like myself) have stated they would. Here in the USA, Internet Gambling is ILLEGAL and as such, forcing someone to pay up for a prize on a GAME that they ADVERTISE is FREE to PLAY on the Television is FRAUD and MISREPRESTATION. As such, I cannot wait to hear their excuse to all the consumer complaints they will receive. I find this absolutely deplorable and DISHONEST by a Company who markets itself as a FREE GAME to PLAY and then FORCE PLAYERS to PAY UP for something that they know full well that this Daily Prize is a Top 3 coveted Item in the game. But we all know now that this event was all a MONEY GRAB and to get the most they could from the players. I WILL NOT PAY ONE MORE DIME to play this phony game when they try to FORCE their own players to pay up for tuff and GAMBLE their money on a game.
International Laws are still governing and State Regulations are still applicable here, as the have to comply to these laws, in order to conduct and do business within any and all States and the Country of the United States. GAMBLING is what "the game" is forcing us to do, PERIOD. If you agree or not, these are FACTS and those facts CANNOT BE DISBUTED.
Again, nothing here I have stated is in anyway an Violation of any TOA/TOS respectively (Terms of Agreement/Terms of Service). Also, I am about to review this agreement we all agreed to, to see if it says anything about forcing us to GAMBLE and VIOLATE LOCAL, STATE and FEDERAL LAWS. Now, let's all hope this post does not get removed and some will try to NOT censor my "feedback" on this event.
Steve - LordStevie
I totally agree, but most online games do the same thing. And having been a paying player in this and many other games over the last 10+ years, all I ask is fairness. I don't mind spending money, and knew I would have to in order to have enough eggs to open a planned minimum of 20-25 large chests. But when you get the same gift 3 times in a row (whether it be the best or worst) it just doesn't add up. And what do you do?? Trust that the numbers will work themselves out, and risk maybe getting another 3 Reno kits? Better to walk away. But in the long run, they end up losing a couple of thousand a year in revenue for 1 person. And I am sure I am not the only one who feels the same way, so that number could grow exponentially. Just my 2 cents. Cheers,Mike
DeletedUser10789
No one is forcing you to spend money, you don't need to win a shrine to play the game. And if you do choose to spend money, then it isn't "gambling" because you don't get money (or anything else of real value) back if you win. At any rate, it's no different than the winter, summer, or any other event where chance plays a role.
Respectfully Jaelis, I fully disagree. "Gambling" by definition is a game of chance. As such, this event is NOT like any other where it is IMPOSSIBLE as of right now, for you to get something of a "perceived value" and the Shrine of Knowledge is truly A VERY POWERFUL Building, that even YOU MUST AGREE all the players want and desire to have. Additionally, by "gambling" for this item, "the game" is forcing you to buy eggs by NOT allowing you to achieve it any other FAIR WAY. Had this item been in a few days, players would be able to have a FAIR CHANCE to get it, NOW it is nearly IMPOSSIBLE to attain otherwise. Explain to me how the person above had gotten the same prize three times in a row, lucky or unlucky.?
You are aware that there was a BUG on the Beta Forums as to some getting eggs, due to a Developer's bad math (FACT) and the players used this to get more items. Those who got more eggs and NOT prizes, were then (after the fact) had their eggs taken away from them while the players who received prizes in place of eggs, were allowed to keep the prizes. This game is not about "a game of chance", which is the definition of "GAMBLING", period and factual. That said, this game has a history of not making things right for the players and always doing as they wish. Sure it is there game, just remember, it is only for so long that you can hurt your players who pay to play a game, until they decide to take their Credit Cards and Money elsewhere. These are all facts and please remember, you fought with me so much about the GvG Re-Calc time, when NO NOTICE was given about this. That was the problem. This "game" and "company" has a long history now of NOT providing any information to the players, when all a player does is ask for clarification. Further, I was told by a Mod from a different countries forums, that they knew all along that the Re-calc was temporary and not permanent, yet they failed to tell you all or you all did not decide to tell us all that.
It is no wonder why the game has a thread looking for people to be Mods. and the like here. Who would want a thankless job, where people like you have to take the heat for "the game" deciding to do as they wish and keep you all out of the loop. I am shocked anyone would want that job at all. For that, I do applaud your efforts here and even if you disagree with me, you can see what is happening here and privately I am sure you say the same things I do. But at least I know why you have to say what you have to say and I understand it. It is nothing personal in anyway to you at all and I respect your passion for the game, the way I have passion for it as well. I just don't want to feel ripped off, taken advantage of and scammed.
This entire event is horrid and such a lack of creativity here with these new buildings have become the norm of late. It is sad, really.
FYI, do I dare open a Chest now, knowing how hated I am by "the game".? No way, I would probably get forge point packages, which I have a ton of. But it is what it is. I see it for what it is and now so do others. Just calling it as I see it.
Steve - LordStevie
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DeletedUser8152
this event is NOT like any other where it is IMPOSSIBLE as of right now, for you to get something of a "perceived value"
Of course it is possible to get the SoK without diamonds. You said yourself, use your eggs to open bronze chests. You have like a 14% chance.
DeletedUser13942
I have left this game twice in the past already for various reason, most recently the Time change for GvG reset. I have to say this, I was a paying customer, spending every payday. After returning this time i had not paid a penny, I had actually decided that I would start paying my fair share again when the Easter event got here. I loved it in the past, alas my money is still in my pocket and having trouble getting the enthusiasm to login and finish this trainwreck event
Inno has become increasingly out of touch with the community and what the community wants, their drive for diamonds has become increasingly overt and the performance is catstrophe. I mean someone said they made 100 million euros last year, yet they cannot seem to afford to upgrade their servers or any other type of effective optimization, why would I pay for that?
Inno has become increasingly out of touch with the community and what the community wants, their drive for diamonds has become increasingly overt and the performance is catstrophe. I mean someone said they made 100 million euros last year, yet they cannot seem to afford to upgrade their servers or any other type of effective optimization, why would I pay for that?
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DeletedUser10789
Of course it is possible to get the SoK without diamonds. You said yourself, use your eggs to open bronze chests. You have like a 14% chance.
No Jaelis, please re-read my post. The Bronze Chests, as you are well aware of are only 7% chance. You cannot attempt to double that and say it is 7% x2 = 14% it does not work that way. Just like when you go to the Casino and GAMBLE on Roulette, there is Red and Black on the wheel. Let's not include 0 and 00 for now. But let's just say Red and Black are a 50/50 chance, which they are not (please I am using this as an example and NOT FACTUAL). So, if you BET (gamble) on RED and black comes up, there is NOT a 100% chance of RED the next time. In fact, it is still a 50/50. You cannot add them together, that's wrong.
To prove this FACT, just look above at the person who got the same prize 3 times in a row, you do understand the odds in that, right.? These are all FACTS and you cannot dispute them, sorry. Let me say it again, you see what is happening and you yourself even stated on this thread, that you DO NOT want or want to try for this New Shrine. You see, I respect your words when you speak the truth. The truth is, all of what I have stated above and many others are providing their feedback to the event, still remain. You will always have some who like something better than someone else. That is why any political race is decided by 50% +1 for a majority. Take a poll or add a poll to the forums and get a real test to what people think about it. JUST make the poll fair, don't use deceptive writing for the POLL. Say in the POLL, "Do you like this event better than last years, YES or NO". Let the people speak and see what results you truly get.
Steve - LordStevie
DeletedUser8152
fine a 13.51% chance
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