85gt
Active Member
What age are you, and if you don`t mind post your level 4- 64th fight defenders % for GE
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Increased Attack Bonus has become less effective
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85gt
Active Member
I must have aged up when I saw the change
wolfhoundtoo
Well-Known Member
When discussing AI behavior, you really need to include the game section that you are talking about since the AI isn't the same for all game areas.
Are you referring to the Continental map, GE, GBG, PVP Arena, PVP Cities?
Are you referring to the Continental map, GE, GBG, PVP Arena, PVP Cities?
Agent327
Well-Known Member
Didn't I tell you that from the start?
Nowhere in the game do the defence boosts go up when your attack boost goes up. Neither does the IA change for a game area. It always is the same for an area. It can be different between areas.
Emberguard
Well-Known Member
I’ve never heard nor seen the AI do that based on age.
What I have seen is the AI in the Continent Map and PvP Arena ignores rogues, while other areas go for rogues first.
What you may also have encountered is the battlefield scaling mechanic that kicks in at Progressive Era and above
What this translates into is two things.
1) Instead of your Rogues always being in firing range before they can move, they're potentially out of range on that first round
2) Your Rogues gradually shift from having more movement than your regular units, to now having less movement.
Remember how Fast Units in the earlier ages were a bad idea purely because they had so much movement points that they were guaranteed to always rush ahead of Rogues (coupled with their behaviour mechanics)? Well now that starts to apply to most of the popular units of each age as you go higher up. It's not the AI for targeting that changed, it actually remained the same, it's the increased movement values on each unit leaving the Rogues far behind on the map along with a increased movement cost required. By the time the Rogues get into range to be attacked the regular units are more likely to already be dead in certain ages purely due to range of movement
Looking up popular units for Venus the go-to combo seems to be Power Dragon + Rogues
Rogues Movement: 14
Power Dragon Movement: 12
Again, unless you're using other units in Venus then that's a movement range issue not a targeting issue. You need the Rogues to go ahead of your other units if you want to improve their chances of transforming
Ebeondi Asi
Well-Known Member
I noticed those fast moving 'death seeking' troops faired much better when all eight troops were of that type.
Emberguard
Well-Known Member
Yes. Because then they're all moving at the same pace and don't have the same issue Rogues do of dying if they fail to get hit before their comrades die. It also means if the fast units survive the first round they're able to do some real damage to the opponent. A single fast unit on its own isn't necessarily going to have the power to take out an enemy unit before it dies, but multiple fast units could and it'll give the possibility of enemy fire being more spread out instead of concentrated on a single unit. Fast units rely on their ability to survive long enough to reach the opponent. More targets for the enemy to hit increases the survivability of a fast unit (even if holding back would be a better option in some scenarios)
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Agent327
Well-Known Member
They attack first. In later ages they can do damage immediately, so rogues are not needed at all with autobattle.
Flavius Belisarius
Active Member
I only auto battle if I know I'll win.
Otherwise I fight manually.
In GbG the terrain and attrition level do work against my units randomly.
AutoBattle is not AutoWin.
In GvG as soon as the Defender is reduced to ineffective units or Rogues I hit the AB button.
Otherwise I fight manually.
In GbG the terrain and attrition level do work against my units randomly.
AutoBattle is not AutoWin.
In GvG as soon as the Defender is reduced to ineffective units or Rogues I hit the AB button.
Pericles the Lion
Well-Known Member
FE defenders for the last fight in level 4 had a 278% bonus.
TheBarkKnight
New Member
I agree, if 420/350 can get u to 100 attrition then I must be doing something wrong. My boosts are almost 6 times that and I can't auto-battle past 120 (SAJM).
85gt
Active Member
I honestly believe Inno changes the abilities of troops the higher we get our Att/Def their troops get smarter and ours dumber for auto battle so it keeps us chasing our tails and never get what were looking for, also remember the keen eye goes up each age so SAJM at 35% is going to be harder than 20% for Mars. I was able to fight into 100,s easy in Mars at way less att/def than now in SAJM I hardly get to 100
Pericles the Lion
Well-Known Member
I guess that the Law of Diminishing Returns applies to attacking army boosts. I'm not surprised.
Dursland
Well-Known Member
Would be nice for someone to crunch the numbers and tell us what % we should stop at lol.
Emberguard
Well-Known Member
There's the formula someone came up with if you want to try
Dursland
Well-Known Member
Nice but that's a chart of vague numbers, I don't see any percentages for what attack should be.
Emberguard
Well-Known Member
That’s because your opponents stats effects what stats you should be at
Mor-Rioghain
Well-Known Member
Maybe I missed something you wrote earlier but this comment piqued my interest: what "later ages" are you referring to? I didn't know that at some point rogues wouldn't be needed for autobattle. Wouldn't mind seeing some documentation on this -- is there someplace I can look for this? Thanks.