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[Question] Negotiantions

Pericles the Lion

Well-Known Member
I think it's both. For the early turns turns there is some strategy. There are some other threads as well as some videos that I found helpful. For the last turn it frequently comes down to luck.
 
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BigBrian614

Member
on a 5 goods negotiation, if you get 1 incorrect, 4 wrong person, give up. Like I said before, there is no goods you can choose to change the outcome. It is a set pattern of Incorrect, wrong person, correct. The goods you choose are irrelevant.
 

Ericness

Active Member
To the OP, yes there is some skill to negotiating. Think about it as a logic puzzle and work out ways to efficiently Identify and eliminate goods from each set. You're not always going to win, but it's not the diamond trap it's made out to be in some of the other threads going around on this topic.

That's not to says there's not some degree of "luck" involved, but if you approach a negotiation smartly instead of just spamming goods for three rounds you'll go a long way towards making some of your own "luck" in the process.
 

BigBrian614

Member
You just don't know what you are doing Brian.
I disagree. I call it negotiascam. It is designed to get you to spend diamonds; Like any good scam, they convince you that you have a chance then bamm 50/50 and it is wrong 99.999999% of the time hoping you will spend the 10 diamonds. That is a true definition of a scam. Plus why won't they let the extra turn work in BG.
 

wolfhoundtoo

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You are incorrect. Lots of people negotiate and would have noticed if they were wrong that way. I negotiate and when it gets down to just 2 goods sometimes I am right sometimes I am wrong. Unlike you though I am quite capable of tracking results (not that you need to track results to disprove your claim as it would be quite obvious if it worked that way).

Going to let you in on a secret that you seem incapable of realizing yourself: the whole game is designed to get people to spend diamonds. They don't need to cheat or scam you as they set up the system (and the rules are real easy to understand and figure out if you spend any real time and effort on understanding the game mechanics). They don't let you add to the turn in GBG because you are correct they no doubt believe that they'll get more people to spend diamonds that way. Of course you don't HAVE to spend diamonds to negotiate in GBG or on anything else in the game. That's a choice of the player. Since GBG also rewards diamonds you can't expect them to set up any system that will easily give you more diamonds than you can expect to put into the system.

Of course if you can fight with enough camps to limit your attrition and don't spend diamonds (or negotiate can be done as well although you'll need to actually learn the strategies that will improve your odds of figuring out the goods you need accordingly) you can generate diamonds quite well. You can do the same if you can fight or negotiate level IV of GE as well.

The third option of course appears to be the one that you've taken: don't bother to learn the better strategies, whine about how unfair and crooked the game is all while continuing to play said game.
 

RazorbackPirate

Well-Known Member
I disagree. I call it negotiascam. It is designed to get you to spend diamonds; Like any good scam, they convince you that you have a chance then bamm 50/50 and it is wrong 99.999999% of the time hoping you will spend the 10 diamonds. That is a true definition of a scam. Plus why won't they let the extra turn work in BG.
As someone who has negotiated extensively over the years, I can tell you you are 100% wrong. Other than the inherent odds being against you, no different than a casino, there is nothing Inno is doing to tip the scales, and certainly no set pattern as you imagine.

I've never spent diamonds on negotiations, although presented the opportunity each time I run out of chances. No biggie, I know how to hit the abort button, and how to restart a new one. I also know how to stack the odds in my favor in GBG by avoiding 6 good negotiations, no 4th turn needed.

Seems you just suck at negotiations.
 

Algona

Well-Known Member
I call it negotiascam. It is designed to get ME to spend diamonds
fFixed.

There are 10* types of players who play this game.

Those who are good at it and those who think WotC cheats.



*
What? You don't think in binary?
 

BigBrian614

Member
As someone who has negotiated extensively over the years, I can tell you you are 100% wrong. Other than the inherent odds being against you, no different than a casino, there is nothing Inno is doing to tip the scales, and certainly no set pattern as you imagine.

I've never spent diamonds on negotiations, although presented the opportunity each time I run out of chances. No biggie, I know how to hit the abort button, and how to restart a new one. I also know how to stack the odds in my favor in GBG by avoiding 6 good negotiations, no 4th turn needed.

Seems you just suck at negotiations.
Well I have actually tracked it for several months so I know what I am saying is correct. The goods you choose are irrelevant. the incorrect, correct, wrong person is predetermined before you choose the goods, just like the prize on the prize wheel is predetermined and hitting the stop button does nothing to choose the prize. for example it is near impossible to get a 5 goods negotiation on 3 turns if the first outcome is 1 incorrect and 4 wrong person. (I would say impossible because I have never been able to do it but I am sure it may have happened once or twice for someone) I never attempt a 6 goods negotiation on 3 turns and if the last turn on a 4 or 5 good negotiation is a 50/50, I give up and save my good because it is almost always the opposite of what you choose. Again, the good that you choose does not matter. It is already predetermined that you choose the wrong one or not (99% of the time you do not) and I never negotiate when the cost of the good is more than 1. You may think that you have faired better but you have not. It is just your memory playing tricks on you.
 

wolfhoundtoo

Well-Known Member
Well I have actually tracked it for several months so I know what I am saying is correct. The goods you choose are irrelevant. the incorrect, correct, wrong person is predetermined before you choose the goods, just like the prize on the prize wheel is predetermined and hitting the stop button does nothing to choose the prize. for example it is near impossible to get a 5 goods negotiation on 3 turns if the first outcome is 1 incorrect and 4 wrong person. (I would say impossible because I have never been able to do it but I am sure it may have happened once or twice for someone) I never attempt a 6 goods negotiation on 3 turns and if the last turn on a 4 or 5 good negotiation is a 50/50, I give up and save my good because it is almost always the opposite of what you choose. Again, the good that you choose does not matter. It is already predetermined that you choose the wrong one or not (99% of the time you do not) and I never negotiate when the cost of the good is more than 1. You may think that you have faired better but you have not. It is just your memory playing tricks on you.

Normally I'm loathe to just say this but in this case you are without a doubt a liar. Had you ACTUALLY tracked it you'd of seen that your statements are patently false. Clearly at best you are simply a troll looking for reactions.
 

Algona

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Well I have actually tracked it for several months so I know what I am saying is correct.
If you tracked it, post the data here.

Just a cut and paste from whatever app or spreadsheet or document you used to track your results.

Pretty sure all a list of your results would demonstrate is you don't know how to record data for analysis and RP is exactly right in their evaluation of your negotiating skills:

you just suck at negotiations.
Tell you what though. If you really want to prove something, record your next 100 negotiations in GBG and post that up to youtube.

Then we can all confirm that RP s right.
 

wolfhoundtoo

Well-Known Member
By the way on a 5 goods negotiation in which you supposedly put down 5 goods, got 4 as wrong (and thus not going to be in any of the spots) and 1 incorrect the only way you could actually lose that is if you didn't do method to make sure you could win that for sure:

With only 2 goods left to pick from you pick the 1 good that you incorrect on and place it in the other 4 spots. The 2nd good remaining goes in the incorrect spot. That will leave you with actually one good to 'guess' from on the last turn. So the example you gave to 'prove' your point is the exact scenario I wish will happen as it guarantees me a successful negotiation with 6 goods and 3 turns.
 

Lord Pest

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To the OP, yes there is some skill to negotiating. Think about it as a logic puzzle and work out ways to efficiently Identify and eliminate goods from each set. You're not always going to win, but it's not the diamond trap it's made out to be in some of the other threads going around on this topic.

That's not to says there's not some degree of "luck" involved, but if you approach a negotiation smartly instead of just spamming goods for three rounds you'll go a long way towards making some of your own "luck" in the process.
Totally agree…. Work at this guessing game and guess what… you’ll get better at it. There is a learning curve. There is a lot of logic to negotiating. At first you want to do 2 things… eliminate those goods that are not used in this puzzle and move the ones that are in the wrong slot to another slot. Sometimes you don’t solve the puzzle in the allotted turns. In that case don’t spend diamond. Just abort and restart that puzzle.
 

Johnny B. Goode

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Like any good scam,
I believe your posts are a scam, because you say this:
they convince you that you have a chance then bamm 50/50 and it is wrong 99.999999% of the time
But then in a later post you say this:
if the last turn on a 4 or 5 good negotiation is a 50/50, I give up and save my good
So you don't actually know whether you would be right or wrong, by your own admission. Further, you say:
Well I have actually tracked it for several months so I know what I am saying is correct.
But if your statement about giving up on the last turn is true, then this one has to be false. You can't claim to have tracked results that you didn't actually get.
I never negotiate when the cost of the good is more than 1.
Seriously? And then you come here and purport to "know the truth" about negotiating? Crawl back under your bridge, troll.
 

BigBrian614

Member
Totally agree…. Work at this guessing game and guess what… you’ll get better at it. There is a learning curve. There is a lot of logic to negotiating. At first you want to do 2 things… eliminate those goods that are not used in this puzzle and move the ones that are in the wrong slot to another slot. Sometimes you don’t solve the puzzle in the allotted turns. In that case don’t spend diamond. Just abort and restart that puzzle.
If it wasn't all about just getting you to spend the diamonds, why not pay for the last turn with one of each of the goods?
 

Emberguard

Well-Known Member
If it wasn't all about just getting you to spend the diamonds, why not pay for the last turn with one of each of the goods?
It's a strategy game. You're meant to use logic to work out the answer. Sometimes you'll make mistakes or be less efficient in your working out and need to start again. That's ok, you don't need to win every time

Diamonds are for if you lost and don't want to redo the negotiation.
 

BigBrian614

Member
Please show us the tracked results then
I no longer have it, I did it months ago on a notebook I discarded. When I get time (sorry, I work full time) I will do it again but probably won't discuss it here. There doesn't seem to be any adults here who can have a friendly discussion about a game without name calling. Look, can I be wrong? Sure but I'm not calling anybody names who disagree with me.
 

BigBrian614

Member
It's a strategy game. You're meant to use logic to work out the answer. Sometimes you'll make mistakes or be less efficient in your working out and need to start again. That's ok, you don't need to win every time

Diamonds are for if you lost and don't want to redo the negotiation.
the 50/50/90 rule is supposed to be a joke but it is not when it comes to negotiation. it is almost always (way more than 90%) the good you did not choose when it comes down to a 50/50 chance on the last turn. You don't need much tracking to figure that one out.