Yeah but I think to judge this matter in terms of what I think is good for the game I think that needs to be a bit more specific. We know 500% is most likely good for holding off the majority of attackers. The quote you quoted says 200% is no good if the attacker has 50/50. So how long would new non-diamond player need to get an amount of defensive value bonus to fend of 1/7 Rogue attacks?
I would disagree with this. 200% defense, even with no accompanying attack boost, would give a 50/50 attacker fits, quite possibly fending him off. Of course, it depends on the offensive and defensive units involved, but if I attack with my 1 AAV/7 Rogues, and the defense has 200% or more defense boost with Champs and Assault Tanks, I retreat, even though I have 129/76 with the Tavern boost.
Well if 200 is good enough why go 500+?
Because I don't consider my a/d boost to be all that high. Some players build barracks that add to the attack boost, and there are lots of players that have raised their attack GBs much higher than mine, which are obviously no higher than level 10. If my a/d boost was 150% or more, or if I were attacking units from an age lower than mine, I wouldn't retreat from these defenses.
Yes I'm aware of all this. See my point is I'm trying to find what makes sense in terms of "balance" in regards to the 1/7 Rogue tactic as it pertains to the player base as a whole. We know there's players who spend hundreds or thousands of dollars, been playing for years and can have over 500% A/D bonus. Then you have the beginner who spends no money who just started playing. Then you got the new world dynamic of both ends of that spectrum happening all at once. I'm seeking to look at this 17/Rogue tactic in a holistic way. Clearly a big spender who gets the RH/Diamond deal day one on a new world is going to beat everything for quite some time, frankly I think that's bogus but so be it. Now I don't think a player who spends no money should be able to be able to stop the big spender with the RH/Diamond deal day one using the 1/7 Rogue tactic but at some reasonable point they should be able to, imo opinion anyway. I'm seeking data to see how long it would take for that new player to be able to do that.
I don't see how a player being on 50 times a day or all day versus 1 time a day, or 5 minutes a day has anything to do with this. You checking in 50 times a day or being on all day won't stop the 1/7 Rogue tactic, or any attack for that matter.Most attacks that fail while using a 7 rogue
They can stop him - by collecting on time. Inno (from my perspective but there's lots of evidence that indicates this) promotes as much online time as possible by the player base. That is ultimately why an attacker has such an advantage. Inno has implemented items that boost defending armies but on a very limited basis. Even the City shield is fairly expensive so that to fund it you have to be online enough so that all of your friends feel it's worth it to visit your tavern often enough to fund that option.
You can't simply discuss the balance of attack/defense in a vacuum like it doesn't impact many of the other aspects of the game. Your analysis is fundamentally flawed because you are only considering a limited aspect of the game. Like it or not the game making enough money to keep running is clearly a required element of an online game.
I'm not quite sure why you think I'm must not be thinking of Inno as a business, I get it, they want to make money, okay so would making the city defense a bit smarter to not attack Rogues first put inno out of business? It's not like this is some rare thing I'm talking about here. My opinion is that's it's too powerful and needs to be fixed and I'm certainly not the only one who recognizes that.
Yeah I get it, you have a lot of watchfires, I think all of Inno gets it by now. But of course I'm talking about a bit more that just that.
I just added 8% more without spending. Don't lump 500% defense automatically with thousands of dollar players please.
In theory, that's a good idea. In practice? I can already hear lots of people whining.
I find it amazing what you attribute to me as to what you think I know or don't know. PvP is broken even without this as an issue as all battles count towards points, and yeah they need to change that as well but I guess you'll just say GvG AA point hunters are meant to be some revenue stream for Inno so it'll never change.Why do people want rogue hideouts from the events? Because it's a very powerful building. As such people will spend diamonds to get them. Diamonds to unlock them. Why does Inno make it so much easier for the attacker especially from the very beginning? You can certainly plunder your way thru a hood for an easy profit in the bronze age. Why? Because it encourages players to play more often and helps to 'hook' them. Each and every item that Inno implements has an impact on the game dynamic and of course the revenue stream. You think you are the 1st to think rogues are over powered? You aren't the 1st and I'd bet a lot of money that you won't be the last............because your belief that somehow Inno doesn't KNOW how rogues impact game balance is just silly (The city shield came about roughly after a similar conversation as I recall so Inno's decision is made until/unless you can impact their revenue). Good luck with your quest. A year from now I'd be amazed if this thread wasn't still going with exactly zero changes to rogues.
