Why is Park and Plunder with GB above age allowed?

[DeletedUser29651]

I get plundering is part of the game. My question: Why are players allowed to build Great Buildings beyond their age?


Everything in game is linked to the age (maps, buildings, diamond expansions, etc.) – everything that is EXCEPT Great Buildings. This gives players who ‘park’ in an age an unfair advantage. And in my opinion – it undermines one of the games main attractions. (This is supposed to be a strategy game. What kind of strategy is it to park and plunder with a superior advantage?)


First – I do not believe it should be allowed.

Second – If allowed, at least restrict it to one age above or at a minimum place some in-game restrictions on those who abuse the spirit of the game.


Additional Info:
I have seen many players leave the game because of this type of abuse. Less players – less purchases. I also suspect ‘parked’ players make few if any in game purchases. Why should they? They have no incentive. That in itself should be enough motivation for the game developers to do something.

I play in 3 worlds. Currently in HMA. In every world I have at least 1 player who has ‘parked’ in that age. Some as high as 1.2 million points. In HMA, really! They do nothing but build Great Buildings and plunder. They put no effort into developing any other part of the game. They max out Military bonuses – so there is no way you can defend or attack back in kind if so inclined. A sense of fairness is fundamental to sustaining continued game play. Make game play futile - or even give the impression - people quit.

 

[DeletedUser26154]

Currently in HMA, soon to go to LMA.

All I needed to see.



Let's just put this one up for a vote right now.
+1,000.

 

[DeletedUser26120]

Players being able to buy GB blueprints and goods packages to build them is a huge income generator for innogames, especially in the early game.

It may be unfair to others but that is exactly how this business model is able to exist. 20% of their customers are 80% of the income, as it is in most other places.

The majority of us are allowed to play for free (or at low cost, like myself) because of those big spenders, and if we started changing the game to remove those perks then I'm afraid Forge of Empires would not be around for long as it'd go bankrupt.

Those players may have an advantage on you for a while but as I've learned from a year+ of playing on US21 is that you can close a lot of gaps with sheer determination and active playing. I rose from 3000s rank to #71 in a year with only spending $80 to get all diamond expansions through the ages.

 

[DeletedUser29055]

Why should a player not be allowed to have GB beyond the age s/he is in? I find that very realistic actually. There are countries in the world that are more developed and countries that are less developed. Due to trade, less developed world can profit from the progress of the more developed countries. Same here in the game.

And, anyway, the one who wants to plunder, plunder. With or without GB.

There is actually a similar discussion on the beta forum. I cannot post there, but that would be my comment in that forum, too.

It is realistic. Player can trade with more advanced players. Or would it be okay to withold progress from less developed player/countries? If my wolrd is closed, then okay, but we can interact withour neighbors. That is the social aspect of the game. So, it kind of make sense.

 

[DeletedUser28670]

No. No. No. No. No.

Arc? Not anymore to anyone below FE!! Buying blueprints? No, nothing from above your age!! Inno will definitely benefit!! (sarcastic)

I smell a person who has never done this particular strategy, nor quest looping. ANYONE who has done that would understand the benefit of parking in an age.

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(EDIT) http://foestats.com/us/us3/players/profile/?server=us3&world=Cirgard&id=11556414
I found the OP on Cirgard.
I understand his motive now, let me explain... the longer worlds have been around the more people park. Cyrus, I encourage you to try one of the newer worlds, W or X. There are a lot less parkers there.

 

[DeletedUser30312]

(This is supposed to be a strategy game. What kind of strategy is it to park and plunder with a superior advantage?)

The manly kind.

Currently in HMA, soon to go to LMA.

Please tell me that you play in Jaims.

Though possibly, you'd like Greifental even better.

There are two kinds of paying players in this game, the type that blows their money on premium buildings that become junk in two ages and fly up the tech tree, and the type that may or may not park in an age, but spends their money where it counts -- buying expansions and very useful buildings like Rogue Hideouts, SoKs, WWs, and the like. Or possibly they spend on a full set of bps and the goods to quickly set up good GBs.

I've fought the first kind of player and they're easy to beat because they haven't bothered to learn any of the game fundamentals. The second kind of player has already responded to this thread and they tend to be among the better players.

 

[ODragon]

I'll give you the interesting idea.

I would say it isn't something you can retroactively change on an already existing world but I see no reason Inno couldn't create a new world with that limitation.

Honestly, I don't get how people can play on more than one world since everything is essentially the same on all of them.

I think it would be very interesting if different words had different properties, some to offset others. So in mystical world where you can only get gb one age up, maybe fp is generated every 35 minutes instead.

Maybe some world military weaknesses are different.

TL,DR: nothing wrong with trying something different on a newly created world where everyone knows what's going on from the beginning.

 

[DeletedUser29651]

Players being able to buy GB blueprints and goods packages to build them is a huge income generator for innogames, especially in the early game.

It may be unfair to others but that is exactly how this business model is able to exist. 20% of their customers are 80% of the income, as it is in most other places.

The majority of us are allowed to play for free (or at low cost, like myself) because of those big spenders, and if we started changing the game to remove those perks then I'm afraid Forge of Empires would not be around for long as it'd go bankrupt.

Those players may have an advantage on you for a while but as I've learned from a year+ of playing on US21 is that you can close a lot of gaps with sheer determination and active playing. I rose from 3000s rank to #71 in a year with only spending $80 to get all diamond expansions through the ages.

Players being able to buy GB blueprints and goods packages to build them is a huge income generator for innogames, especially in the early game.

It may be unfair to others but that is exactly how this business model is able to exist. 20% of their customers are 80% of the income, as it is in most other places.

The majority of us are allowed to play for free (or at low cost, like myself) because of those big spenders, and if we started changing the game to remove those perks then I'm afraid Forge of Empires would not be around for long as it'd go bankrupt.

Those players may have an advantage on you for a while but as I've learned from a year+ of playing on US21 is that you can close a lot of gaps with sheer determination and active playing. I rose from 3000s rank to #71 in a year with only spending $80 to get all diamond expansions through the ages.

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Thanks. I suspected something like that. A Catch 22 perhaps? The ones I have encountered, it’s a secondary game. Used to win diamonds thru GE for their primary thus avoid buying them.

 

[Algona]

I don't get how people can play on more than one world since everything is essentially the same on all of them

I started my first city in Feb 15. Late last year I took over mentoring n00bs in my Guild. One of them asked me a really simple question. Fighting EMA in GE.

Derp. Blank. Derp. I couldn't answer, I didn't know a thing about early Era fighting in GE.

So I started a new city to learn all about it, And am having a blast with it. It's also fun to do things right. And to be a terror in my hood, trampling the scrubbish n00bs under my stinky feet.

Ran into one IA city in my hood a couple months ago. 40 Wishing Wells.

 

[DeletedUser26154]

HMA

Let me show you an Exquisite LMA Gamer.

Meet Shroomy01 of Rugnir.








Shroomy01 taught me how the Arc works.

 

[DeletedUser30312]

Level 112 Chateau, but he's got a crap ton of Spice Traders. If he's exploiting recurring quests, then he's probably going for the one that calls for 40,000 supplies. He'd probably be better off spamming 24-hour productions on Breweries, but that's just me. As a Premium production building, the Spice Trader doesn't even have a related recurring quest.

That or he's really spamming the hell out of Unbirthdays, and that gets old fast.

 

[DeletedUser29390]

I get plundering is part of the game. My question: Why are players allowed to build Great Buildings beyond their age?


Everything in game is linked to the age (maps, buildings, diamond expansions, etc.) – everything that is EXCEPT Great Buildings. This gives players who ‘park’ in an age an unfair advantage. And in my opinion – it undermines one of the games main attractions. (This is supposed to be a strategy game. What kind of strategy is it to park and plunder with a superior advantage?)


First – I do not believe it should be allowed.

Second – If allowed, at least restrict it to one age above or at a minimum place some in-game restrictions on those who abuse the spirit of the game.


Additional Info:
I have seen many players leave the game because of this type of abuse. Less players – less purchases. I also suspect ‘parked’ players make few if any in game purchases. Why should they? They have no incentive. That in itself should be enough motivation for the game developers to do something.

I play in 3 worlds. Currently in HMA. In every world I have at least 1 player who has ‘parked’ in that age. Some as high as 1.2 million points. In HMA, really! They do nothing but build Great Buildings and plunder. They put no effort into developing any other part of the game. They max out Military bonuses – so there is no way you can defend or attack back in kind if so inclined. A sense of fairness is fundamental to sustaining continued game play. Make game play futile - or even give the impression - people quit.

To further illustrate some previous replies, I started 233 days ago, currently 13 GB, colonial age, I have parked recently to max out all GB in order to take on the heavy hitters later on in the game. Haven't spent a dime, not cause I don't want to buy diamonds rather I am quite poor you see. I guess my point is that not everyone you see is a "Jack Wagon", sometimes you just gotta ask for the "reach-around".

 

[DeletedUser29390]

don't worry I have soft warm hands, I use Palmolive!

 

[DeletedUser26154]

I don't want to buy diamonds rather I am quite poor you see

I'm one disaster away from the poor house.

Level 112 Chateau, but he's got a crap ton of Spice Traders. If he's exploiting recurring quests, then he's probably going for the one that calls for 40,000 supplies. He'd probably be better off spamming 24-hour productions on Breweries

King Shroomy01 takes Mathematical Precision to a whole new level.

@ardak kumerin learns things from this LMA player.

He can run his Recurring Rinbin quests without any "Outside coins or supplies".
It's perpetual.
His returns more than pay for doing it over and over again.

don't worry I have soft warm hands, I use Palmolive!

Please tone it down a notch.

 

[DeletedUser29390]

awwwww, okay, my hands really are baby bottom smooth though.

 

[DeletedUser29390]

...... and can you truly stay mad at an avatar with a face like mine ????

 

[DeletedUser26154]

and can you truly stay mad at an avatar with a face like mine

As a Forum Pundit, there are four topics I never touch.
1. Sexual.
2. Racial.
3. Religious.
4. Politics.

I make no references, I make no innuendos.



Any person on the planet can sit down and read these forums.
What might seem like a funny reference to you.
Is tasteless, crude and common to others who've seen it a 1000 times before.
The readers don't visit the FoE forums to see writing of that nature.

If you want to talk like that in private channels, with like-minded people, that's alright.
But to join a public forum and make sexual references until everyone blocks you, is your call.
You give yourself time in the spotlight when you come here.
Make that time count and be good for you.

Also, all people can judge you on, is what you say.
Step back for a moment and read your own writing.
As if you were someone else.
What kind of impression would you give yourself?

 

[DeletedUser29390]

good points, I have learned quite a bit from investing time in reading forum threads.
I realize I may not always come across as I may intend, and readily accept any and all criticism. Though I may not take all advice, I want to hear and see others points of ponder.

 

[DeletedUser28670]

He can run his Recurring Rinbin quests without any "Outside coins or supplies".
It's perpetual.
His returns more than pay for doing it over and over again.

I was thinking about that very question, don't ask me why
But would that not break the game? It's basically like he can do an infinite amount of UBQs if your statement is completely true. And if so, then he would have access to an infinite amount of FPs, one of the random rewards, being able to level up his great buildings further, further, and even further, and if true he could be the number 1 player in Rugnir.

 

[DeletedUser]

I was thinking about that very question, don't ask me why
But would that not break the game? It's basically like he can do an infinite amount of UBQs if your statement is completely true. And if so, then he would have access to an infinite amount of FPs, one of the random rewards, being able to level up his great buildings further, further, and even further, and if true he could be the number 1 player in Rugnir.

Until he gets bored or develops Carpal Tunnel. You could ask Cosmic Raven what the boredom factor is in heavy questing/quest looping, except he quit playing about a month and a half ago. And he never got close to #1 on Noarsil, even with being the master of heavy questing.