It's complicated and nothing that you can really reason out with your own brain and eyes.I grew up in the 60's & 70's & I remember all the experts & magazines telling us by the year 2000 The planet would "cool" off due to the "greenhouse" effect created by man made pollution to the point where we would have less area to grow food & shorter seasons to grow food to feed the incredible overpopulated planet & than we arrived at 2000 & ooops that didn't happen.
So they devised another method stealing our money, "global warming", well that wasn't working either ,so it's now "climate change" these greedy bastards have come up with. The question I would ask is this.
Who says that the temperature today is the base temperature for the planet? Maybe the earth needs to warm up 5, 10, or even 15 degrees to reach the optimum standard for habitability for all. I don't know , they don't know.
One other question why would the two biggest polluters (India & China ) be exempt for 5(?) years & the USA where we have done a major turn around towards a cleaner environment wouldn't be exempt?
Indeed. And those who spread the fear porn want to control us. And when we spread the fear for them and ask for their control? They already do.I believe that no matter what happens that we will figure out a way to survive. The planet is doing just fine. A few degrees here or there means nothing in the grand scale of cosmic forces. I think that people who think this planetary body is doomed are simply buying into the false narrative that humans are inherently wasteful, evil and destructive. Even in we are, what can really be done about it? Adapt or perish.
There's nothing suspicious about that. Oil fracking, deforestation and the like are being green-lit by "conservative" politicians who don't care about anything but who is lining their pockets.Also, you'll have to be very suspicious of why the sudden sentiment for the welfare of the environment when things like oil fracking, deforestation, and the like are being green-lit almost side-by-side with this climate change stuff.
Right. And the 'Libs' are white as the driven snow. They only have the best of intentions. No one getting rich or lining their pockets there, right? Please, are you really that dumb, or do you think we are? Two sides of the same coin. Opposing forces in the Hegelian Dialectic you refuse to see.There's nothing suspicious about that. Oil fracking, deforestation and the like are being green-lit by "conservative" politicians who don't care about anything but who is lining their pockets.
Could be. I don't know who is responsible for it, but I got a feeling that industry money is going to find it's way into liberal and conservative pockets. Well...liberal and conservative lawmakers. Not the people.There's nothing suspicious about that. Oil fracking, deforestation and the like are being green-lit by "conservative" politicians who don't care about anything but who is lining their pockets.
dozens.if you lived in the usa u would know this..ever heard of harvey?i can luist alot more..the one that almost deystroyed and did destroy ALOT OF PEUTO RICO....I remember when Katrina happened & it was reported by experts that hurricanes of that severity would be the new norm & we would have many of them every season. Ok we had Sandy, how many have we had between them or since Sandy? Maybe Owebama stopped them like he did w/ Syria & Putin.lol
Saying "they're just as bad" isn't much of a defense. Especially when said to someone like me who sees the flaws in both ends of the political spectrum. It's just that the conservatives' flaws affect my life and quality of life directly and negatively, whereas the left's flaws don't.Right. And the 'Libs' are white as the driven snow. They only have the best of intentions. No one getting rich or lining their pockets there, right? Please, are you really that dumb, or do you think we are? Two sides of the same coin. Opposing forces in the Hegelian Dialectic you refuse to see.
The delusion runs deep in you. I actually feel sorry. Conservatism is wrecking your life? Really? Liberal mindset not wrecking lives really? You're a wolf. Judgement will be harsh, I'm afraid.Saying "they're just as bad" isn't much of a defense. Especially when said to someone like me who sees the flaws in both ends of the political spectrum. It's just that the conservatives' flaws affect my life and quality of life directly and negatively, whereas the left's flaws don't.
First video. Direct quote from report, supposedly? "We COULD be looking at..." Could, a speculative qualifier. In other words, "We're guessing here, but ..." First comment quote from host "I'm no expert, but ..." then fear porn. Then what do you know? Next quote with his added drama for emphasis, "People don't understand, there's GOING to be ... blah, blah, blah." Then off to the full on crazy and fear porn. Entertaining, I'll give you that. Keeps you tuning in, you like to link this guy. Oh yeah, since I think this clown is full of it, I guess I think there's no climate. That makes me a real climate denier, that's me. Climate, what a climate? Show me a climate. Yuck, yuck, yuck.(Yes, this one does have to do with climate change despite the title.)
I really don't understand what people see in that guy, but I've resigned myself to a George Carlin-esque stance on life. I'm just going to sit back and watch the circus.Second video, didn't click it. Who cares what Jordan Petersen has to say about climate change. Hey, why don't we ask Alyssa Milano? Let's see what her Mensa mind has to say? Both have equal expertise with equal credibility on the topic, Zero.
Has every one in the world lost the ability to do independent research to reach independent conclusions? Based on those gems, apparently so. Everyone's just addicted to porn.
This was never a thing. People remember some random headline in a magazine and construct an alternate reality around it. I linked the report providing the scientific concensus from the time upthread which laid out the global warming trend even back then.It's undeniable that it is warmer now. Though like the founder of this thread I remember back in the 70's when the fear was we were entering a new ice age.
What would pollution be like if there were no regulations governing it? Would there still be lead in our gasoline? Do you think pollution levels dropped all on its own? The planet is doing just fine on its own - it doesn't need us and from time to time does its best to get rid of us. I'd rather not help it.Is there pollution.? yes. but it's better now than it was a few decades ago. so it is hard to buy into the argument the world is poisoned irretrievable. The world has gone through phases. the little ice age in the 17th and 18th century s. in the late middle ages the world was warm enough for many wine vinyards in England. It is warmer but is it natural or is it something we're doing even though we've cut down on pollution?
The problem is both sides are not talking to each other. The far right denies it's happening at all and the far left scream we HAVE killed the world and their plans just happen to try to pull down the far right they opposed for other reasons for earlier years. (I think we can skip AOC's flatulent cows) . But we need to have people reallyl ooknig at htis without the blather from the far wings on either side.