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Guild Expedition- New Rewards

Discussion in 'Announcement Feedback' started by Panacea, Feb 12, 2017.

  1. Deepdiver6

    Deepdiver6 Active Member

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  2. Praetorius

    Praetorius Well-Known Member

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    I had my ToR at level 2 a while ago. Got 20 Fp, 20 goods, and unit packs enough to justify keeping it around. Had a few 200 FP and goods gold relics from time to time as well. Just enough to keep me hooked on hoping for more of them.

    Then Inno decided to screw with GE and ToR's value bottomed out. I either got those stupid decos or BPs 90% of the time from then on in, only getting anything else in a rare occurrence.

    In the space when my ToR once stood now lies my Palace set. I now get 1860 happiness, 6 FP, 15 PME goods, 107 medals, 170k coin and 41k supply per day now, instead of just more of the ToR junk that I kept getting from the haphazard relic hunt. Much better use of the space if you ask me.
     
  3. Dursland

    Dursland I am Dursland Forum Moderator

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    Last prize on level 4 should not be store building I agree - at least do reno/one-up.

    GE is so low-cost in Contemporary Era in comparison to the ages above/below, I love it.
     
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  4. Ylisaveta

    Ylisaveta Well-Known Member

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    I'm in CE and feeling you here :)
     
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  5. Dursland

    Dursland I am Dursland Forum Moderator

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    You may be right, but 20 fp relics are common enough. It's rare for me to go a week without winning at least one of those. That's roughly 3fp per day from a 6x6 building. Luaus/fields/bazaars are 5x4/4x5 and give 2 fp a day (luau can do 3 if you are spot on with collecting) and people build those.

    So by comparison - in that respect - I would say ToR is worth keeping? You get other stuff on top of the average weekly fps.
     
  6. stallion119

    stallion119 Well-Known Member

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    Now that I have FE troops, I might never leave CE. Only thing tempting are those 3 expansions in TE right off the bat
     
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  7. Dursland

    Dursland I am Dursland Forum Moderator

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    How far along on the province map did you have to get to unlock that quest?
     
  8. stallion119

    stallion119 Well-Known Member

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    1st expansion province, about 6 in
     
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  9. Algona

    Algona Well-Known Member

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    Weird idea struck me as I was collecting eleventyseventh ToR BP. How bad an idea would it be if you got 1 FP placed on your ToR instead of a BP if you already have a full set of prints?
     
  10. Stephen Longshanks

    Stephen Longshanks Forum Moderator

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    That would work for most of us, but not the ones that like to reach the stratosphere with their GB levels. :)
     
  11. ODragon

    ODragon Well-Known Member

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    Could be a conversion option much like the 2:1. Just on optional button you click to trade BP to that GB, even if only works on TOR.
     
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  12. jobu523

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    ToR is one of the best buildings around. If you do a GE3 fully (48 encounters) you get, ON AVERAGE, even with a ToR level 1, 4.6 FP every day from relics. Add to that (on average) 10 refined goods. If you go for GE4 (64 encounters), you get 6.1 FP's EVERY DAY, and 17 goods, EVERY DAY, on average.
    The strength of the ToR is more depends on the number of encounters then its level.

    I agree that there is a TON of useless stuff found in relics. And it is worth to find something better to do with them. But the ToR is a good building right now.
     
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  13. Deepdiver6

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    I can do all 64 encounters, not the issue. Your assuming your relics are giving forge points vs a face/gate or some other useless item same with the goods. You may be talking about the treasure chest rewards which have nothing to do with the TOR.
     
  14. jobu523

    jobu523 Active Member

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    The ToR is giving random rewards.
    If you average the numbers, over a long enough time, it will give you 6+ FP (on average) for every day.
    You can check the following thread for the math:https://forum.us.forgeofempires.com/index.php?threads/the-tor-guide-2-0.18638/
    And yes, I am talking about the ToR relics (not rewards for the encounter it self).
    Also yes, the relics are full of garbage. But it includes enough of FP's, goods that it is worth it.

    P.s.
    Here is an excel with updated values (in the ToR guide its a bit outdated):
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  15. jobu523

    jobu523 Active Member

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    My issues with ToR is that it aint leveling up well enough.
    As can be seen in the previous message, as the ToR is going to level from 1 to 10, the FP values are going from 6.1 to 8.4 (for a full 64 encounters run in GE). That's quite bad.
    ToR level 1 (with 64 encounters) is by far the best building in the game (maybe even over arc).
    But I am not sure if it is worth it to level it past level 1.
    P.s.
    The reason to up the ToR, is to get the Jade Relics and have a better chance to get Terrace and such. That's a pretty good reason for me. But its hard to value if its worth it.
     
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  16. Konrad the mediocre

    Konrad the mediocre Well-Known Member

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    If you are looking for fps (or goods or wjhatever), it is definitely worthwhile to compare the expected gain from leveling the relic to leveling a different gb.

    So if I assume 10% of common/uncommon relics gives me the fp prize (less optimistic than the spreadsheet but essentially the same argument) then my level 20 tor gives me about 7.4 fps/day on average assuming I complete all 4 levels. Of course this ignores the goods units and countless crap I also get. If I level my tor for 853 fps, this number skyrockets to 7.6 fp/day.

    Regardless which numbers I use I would not level tor if I was only interested in fps. At least not until you leveled your other fp producing gbs substantially.
     
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  17. jobu523

    jobu523 Active Member

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    For FP's and Goods chance, I used the wiki (http://forgeofempires.wikia.com/wiki/Temple_of_Relics)(see the section named Relics). They tried to find it out using 250 sample size.
     
  18. Konrad the mediocre

    Konrad the mediocre Well-Known Member

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  19. jobu523

    jobu523 Active Member

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    Seems like Inno adjusted the numbers a few times. The values in the wiki came after the official time they changed the numbers. But I am not sure if they didn't change the numbers (at the background) with out updating us.
     
  20. Deepdiver6

    Deepdiver6 Active Member

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    I now have 7 terrace farms, wish I could use them....lol
     

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