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Negotiation Game Feedback

DeletedUser11463

Yes there is that. It would be interesting to see what the odds are and what the best way to solve would be. I guess you would need a person who is good with math and algorithms of which I am not. However, I will leave it to others to play this way. It costs too much for my blood. Then again I don't go to casinos either.
 

DeletedUser14276

My only problem is semantic. This is not negotiating. If you offer goods/supplies/coin etc... to someone for passage, and they don't agree, but keep all the stuff you offered, that's not negotiation, that's extortion, and I shouldn't waste my time & resources, but rather just come back when I'm able to murder them all. If however, I fail at appeasing them, I should retain my stuff, & keep trying different offers. THAT'S negotiation, & while I understand this would offer less in the way of the "Gaming" aspect (A.K.A. gambling) I don't necessarly see why negotiating need be a gamble to your resources. There are plenty of other aspects of this game that aren't gambling
 

DeletedUser25273

It both gives your more and less information than the standard mastermind. You know which are right and wrong, but you can get multiple 'Wrong Person' results when only one person wants that offer.
 

DeletedUser14197

I haven't tried it, but too find it kind of strange that you can negotiate and they not accept it and yet keep your goods. I guess negotiate is not really what you are doing. Just seems like if they don't accept it, they should not get it. It maybe have been better if teh game just charged you for the right to negotiate, a set amount and if they accept your offer, have it returned, but if they don't, the game keep the set amount, not what you offered, if that makes sense.
 

DeletedUser13942

I aged up last week and have not built a good supply of goods yet, nor alot of current age military just due to being new to the age. Now I get to the last fight of the 2nd phase and decide to try out this negotiate stuff. Here's what i experienced and it is really not cool at all.
2 of the 5 people wanted goods that I only had 1 or 2 of, but the negotiate amount is 3. So when i selected the appropriate person my negotiate button had a convenient 10 diamond price tag attached, but guess what, another person wanted 10 diamonds worth of goods i didn't have so now we are at 20 dimes. UH-OH miss, they were reversed. So now more diamonds followed by a successful negotiation.
Moral of the story is I spent about 60 diamonds for goods i did not have and got rewarded with a shiny stack of 30 goods.........................I'm glad I haven't actually paid for diamonds since the new version of the Easter event or I'd be very upset right now. Good job reminding me why i now keep my gaming allowance for other companies
 

DeletedUser23444

Okay, I understand that Inno Games developers and support staff need to get paid and that the company needs to make money. I also understand that selling diamonds and tricking players into spend diamonds by shoving diamond dialogs in our faces every freaking chance they get is how they make that money.

However, it is completely despicable that on a third (and final), failed, GE negotiation attempt that the buy-another-attempt-with-diamonds dialog is immediately overtop of the negotiation window, such that is completely obscures the middle tribal elder's results. The player has no way to find out if the third resource offered to the middle elder is either incorrect or to the wrong person. Furthermore, there is no way to move this dialog to the side. The user is forced into making a decision to spend diamonds on an additional attempt and never gets to fully review their results, unlike the first two failed negotiation attempts. If the player cancels the buy-another-attempt-with-diamonds dialog the entire negotiation window closes and the player is returned to the Expedition encounter trail, without ever having the opportunity to review and study the complete results of his or third failed negotiation attempt.

Show the player his or her complete results and give him/her time to review it before the you push the spend diamonds on us.
 

DeletedUser8420

Actually I have used the negotiation several times now and have 99% of time been able to achieve it with max of 4 tries. The 3 offered plus one paid for with diamonds. If you look and study the hints you can get it without too much trouble.
 

DeletedUser8420

Cosmic Raven said:
Okay, I understand that Inno Games developers and support staff need to get paid and that the company needs to make money. I also understand that selling diamonds and tricking players into spend diamonds by shoving diamond dialogs in our faces every freaking chance they get is how they make that money.

However, it is completely despicable that on a third (and final), failed, GE negotiation attempt that the buy-another-attempt-with-diamonds dialog is immediately overtop of the negotiation window, such that is completely obscures the middle tribal elder's results. The player has no way to find out if the third resource offered to the middle elder is either incorrect or to the wrong person. Furthermore, there is no way to move this dialog to the side. The user is forced into making a decision to spend diamonds on an additional attempt and never gets to fully review their results, unlike the first two failed negotiation attempts. If the player cancels the buy-another-attempt-with-diamonds dialog the entire negotiation window closes and the player is returned to the Expedition encounter trail, without ever having the opportunity to review and study the complete results of his or third failed negotiation attempt.

Show the player his or her complete results and give him/her time to review it before the you push the spend diamonds on us.
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Write it down on a piece of paper your choices before you hit the negotiate button ....I always see the hints before I get the buy diamond chance. This is one thing that has been pretty good for me...finally, I can get through the 2nd level...about to start 3rd so will see how it works on that here shortly.
 

DeletedUser26306

I enjoyed it a lot on the first level and halfway through the 2nd level. Then I found out they get rather impossible to solve in 3 tries. I was shocked to find out that every try the resources are taken, that is just outrageous!! When I fight I don't loose units that didn't die either, why should my goods be taken when they weren't the requested one?
Also, when fighting and I don't make it I have options to better myself. I can research better units or get/level up GB. There is no such option for negotiations. You are allowed to go to almost the end of level 2 and then you have to quit or pay up. Totally not comparable to fighting which you can end without paying.
So please announce the GB that will supply extra tries for free and do not make it high age. How about we ditch the Colosseum and replace it with something to make negotiations playable.

@jaelis: have you even tried negotiation on higher levels? It sure doesn't sound like it, all your comments apply to level 1 but not above anymore.
 

DeletedUser8420

Qiller said:
I enjoyed it a lot on the first level and halfway through the 2nd level. Then I found out they get rather impossible to solve in 3 tries. I was shocked to find out that every try the resources are taken, that is just outrageous!! When I fight I don't loose units that didn't die either, why should my goods be taken when they weren't the requested one?
Also, when fighting and I don't make it I have options to better myself. I can research better units or get/level up GB. There is no such option for negotiations. You are allowed to go to almost the end of level 2 and then you have to quit or pay up. Totally not comparable to fighting which you can end without paying.
So please announce the GB that will supply extra tries for free and do not make it high age. How about we ditch the Colosseum and replace it with something to make negotiations playable.

@jaelis: have you even tried negotiation on higher levels? It sure doesn't sound like it, all your comments apply to level 1 but not above anymore.
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True no you don't lose entire units but there is a cost via diamonds to heal them ...unless you win the battle and/or surrender to allow them to heal which costs time. Additionally, you have to pay coins/supplies to retrain those that you do lose in battle. So no matter what there is a cost even if you win.
 

DeletedUser8420

Oh for the person that said the negotiate menu pops over the list of people. You do know that until you hit the negotiate button you can click on the items and change your offer. At that point no they do not keep the items ...that doesn't happen until you click on negotiate. So you can go back and forth using the hints as needed. Just when you hit negotiate that round is over.
 

DeletedUser8152

Qiller said:
@jaelis: have you even tried negotiation on higher levels? It sure doesn't sound like it, all your comments apply to level 1 but not above anymore.
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I played at the end of level 2. I'll do it again at the end of level 3, I'm sure it will be harder. Beating those battles is tough too.
 

DeletedUser25920

Since last evening, on world Vingrid, I am asked to pay diamonds even though I have turns left. I was in the middle of level 2. Suddenly as I was about to submit a combination for turn 3 I saw it was asking me for 10 diamonds (although it clearly said I had 1 turn left). I gave up, and started again the attempt. and it was asking me for 5 diamonds for turn1 !! I gave up again, and whenever i have tried since yesterday it keeps asking for 5 diamonds for the 1st turn (both on windows laptop and on android). This is only in Vingrid. (I also play in Qunrir and there it continued to work ok). I have submitted a ticket to support, but no reply yet. Has anyone else encountered this bug?
 

DeletedUser8152

Lady Egwene said:
Since last evening, on world Vingrid, I am asked to pay diamonds even though I have turns left. I was in the middle of level 2. Suddenly as I was about to submit a combination for turn 3 I saw it was asking me for 10 diamonds (although it clearly said I had 1 turn left). I gave up, and started again the attempt. and it was asking me for 5 diamonds for turn1 !! I gave up again, and whenever i have tried since yesterday it keeps asking for 5 diamonds for the 1st turn (both on windows laptop and on android). This is only in Vingrid. (I also play in Qunrir and there it continued to work ok). I have submitted a ticket to support, but no reply yet. Has anyone else encountered this bug?
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Most likely you were out of one or more goods, and the diamonds were to pay for the missing goods.
 

DeletedUser25920

Aargh! Yes, that was it, thank you very much! I thought it was very strange behaviour, but it is not at all clear that diamonds are asked for the goods or that there are any goods missing. Looking closely, I see the background color for the good that is missing is very slightly different than the rest, but not really noticeable (unless you are specifically trying to spot the difference).
Thanks again, and maybe the developers could consider making it more obvious if there is a good missing?
 
Algona

Algona

Well-Known Member
I see folk running short on Goods or upset about losing Goods with each attempt. I have not tried Negotiating.

How many Goods on average does it take to finish each level?
 

DeletedUser8420

I do a lot of the negotiating and it takes 1 or 2 goods per guess with 1,000 to 2,000 coins/supplies ...and I normally get the right combo with 3 to 4 guesses...so when I spend diamonds on it, its only 10 diamond to complete the negotiation.

It was only 1 time I had to go to the 5th guess to complete but I got almost 8000 power points and 3 military units on it so it was worth it.
 
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