So I am confused. What exactly should we explore on the C map in order to open up the second recurring quest? Lets say one enters HMA, what are the steps? There is nothing specific mentioned by CR in his original post - and there is a ton of confusion about this rather important detail.
I am currently heavy questing in EMA, is the 2nd recurring quest line available in HMA or is that only a CA thing?
I have been reading the posts here and would like to know as well.
I do not think there is conclusive proof of all the possible scenario's on how to get the a 2nd side/recurring/bonus quest giver. One scenario we know about (and also mentioned in one of the initial posts in this quide) is that once you get the LMA bonus quest line (which is 3rd quest giver, Myciena in this case), and you complete this LMA bonus quest line then you get to keep this 3rd slot, which will give side/recurring quests. It seems the bonus quest line is activated when:
- (a) you acquire the first province of the LMA bonus map (Raven's Creek)
and
- (b) you have progressed up to a certain point in the main story quest line(*)
I do not know if there are other combinations of conditions that would make the 3rd quest giver appear. (eg what if someone avoids scouting the LMA bonus map, progresses tech-wise and map-wise to CA, IndA and even PE? Maybe the 3rd quest giver appears anyway in later ages; and will just temporarily revert to the LMA bonus quest when/if the LMA bonus questline is activated later (when Raven's Creek is eventually acquired). But from what I see in this guide also, HQ in HMA is done with one recurring quest only. (You can definitely have 2 recurring quests in LMA though, as I had done so for many months).
So going by the scenario that you need to activate the LMA bonus quest line and complete it (and you get to keep the 3rd slot).
(Here is a link to the C map, so you can see the provinces and their names).
https://forum.us.forgeofempires.com/index.php?threads/world-map-revealed.4682/
Going backwards, in order to get the LMA bonus quest line you need to:
- Acquire Raven's Creek
- Raven's Creek (along with the first 2 CA provinces) becomes scoutable once you have acquired Mount Kilmore (last LMA province).
- To acquire Mount Kilmore you need to have acquired some previous LMA provinces. (One of the shortest routes that I followed was Cragshire->Eldenborough->Wolvhampton->Mount Killmore [however this many not be enough to eventually activate the bonus quest because of (*)]
- For Cragshire (first LMA province) to become scoutable you need to acquire Moravaria (last HMA province).
- To acquire Moravaria you need to have acquired almost all of the previous HMA provinces, because of how they border each other (I believe I only left Jaims unconquered. ETA to add: Correction, I see now from my map the only unconqured HMA province is Frathia).
The above steps is what is needed on the map in order to get to Raven's Creek. And you can progress as you want on the map regardless of story quests, as long as you acquire the provinces needed for the next province to be scoutable. However, as we have seen from what CR said regarding his guildmate, map progress is not enough (he had acquired all of the LMA bonus provinces, yet he had not gotten the LMA bonus quest, because his story line quest was too far behind).
As for (*), how far you need to have progressed in the main story line, below is a list of the story line quest at end of HMA, and all of LMA:
Last 2 story quests of HMA
- Poison the well: "Recruit 2 New Units” & “Research a tech that unlocks cultural building" [If stuck here, LMA bonus not activated)
- Ludwig's Last stand: Acquire Moravaria
LMA story quests
- The Dark King rises: Scout the province East of Canturia (Cragshire)
- Presents for Dragonclaw: Pay 10,000 supplies
- Crack Gragshire: Acquire 1 sector of Cragshire
- Rebel Alliance: Pay 11,000 coins
- Fire in the Hall: "Build 1 cultural building or decorations (Any Age) & “Research Water Reservoirs (LMA), or a teck that unlocks a mil. building"
- Support the Rebels: Pay 12,000 supplies
- Take Cragshire: Acquire Cragshire
- Rebels no more: Recruit 4 new units (Any age)
- Keep the Armies apart: "Scout the provinces adjacent to Cragshire (Cuttingham, Eldenborough)” & “Acquire 1 sector in any of these provinces"
- Push forward: Acquire Cuttingham or Eldenborough
- Infiltrate the army: "Scout the province East of Cuttingham (Spearth)” & Infiltrate 5 sectors of that province"
- Beware the Wizard!: Build a Tower Ruin (LMA) [This needs LMA tech]
- Make them desert: "Pay 5,000 Coins” & “Pay 6,000 Supplies"
- Make a move against the Evil King: Acquire Spearth, Wolvhampton or Four Gallows
- Scout the Mount: "Scout the province to the northeast (Mount Kilmore)” & “Infiltrate 2 sectors of that province"
- Towards Mount Kilmore: “Acquire 2 sectors of Mount Killmore”
- Wizard's End: " Delete 2 units” & “Gain 800 happiness "
- Enter Mount Killmore: Acquire 4 sectors of Mount Killmore
- Chase Away the King: Acquire Mount Killmore
- Damsel in Distress: " Scout the province south of Cragshire (Ravens Creek – bonus map)” & “Infiltrate 2 sectors of that province"
- To the Rescue: Acquire 2 sectors of Ravens Creek [I was here, no LMA bonus quest or 2nd side quest yet]
- Fight for Freedom: " Acquire Ravens Creek” & “Have 10 units " [completing this, a 2nd side quest appears!!]
- The Fair Maiden: "Gather 40,000 coins” & “Gather 40,000 supplies "
First CA Story quests
- Nebulized The Senses: " Scout provinces east of Moravaria (CA provinces)” & “Gather 40,000 supplies (not required in all editions"
- Introducing: Sophie Antoinette: "Infiltrate 3 sectors of Narcien or 3 sectors of Lavignon” & “Pay 15,000 coins "
…
First LMA Bonus quests
- A princess Gratitude: “Build a Residential building from LMA or 2 from HMA”
- A Shadow from the Past: "Scout the province east of Ravens Creek” & “Scout the province southeast of Ravens Creek"
As per the post of CR in the other thread, if you are at the 2nd to last HMA story quest (Research cultural tech), you cannot have the LMA bonus quest. You need to progress further. How much further? I have a 3rd city (Tiny town so different strategy) and there I have followed as much as possible the story line quests. I had acquired 2 sectors of Raven's Creek and my story quest was at 'Acquire Raven's Creek' and still no LMA bonus quest line. I just now acquired Ravens Creek, interested to see what will happen next. I was fully expecting the LMA bonus quest line to appear after I completed
"Acquire Ravens Creek & Have 10 units" or when I completed the next one "
Gather 40,000 coins & Gather 40,000 supplies", as these are the last 2 LMA main story quests (next one, asks to scout CA province). So when I clicked 'collect' on the "
Acquire Ravens Creek & Have 10 units" completion, ....
a 2nd side quest appeared!! (Grivus: Recruit 5 Grenadiers, as I had just researched Grenadiers for the event).
So now I had 2 side quest slots (3 quests in total including the main story one! Without triggering and then completing the LMA bonus quest!). I aborted the Grivus side quest, and then I got another CA side quest (The Handy-cap). I completed that one, and I got a 2nd CA recurring quest. My other slot is at CA recurring quests also. So now I have 2 CA recurring slots, without having seen yet the LMA bonus quest!
As in my tiny town the 2nd recurring slot will be very useful, I will not complete (ie collect) my current main story quest
"Gather 40,000 coins & Gather 40,000 supplies", as I fully expect one of my recurrent slots to turn into the LMA bonus quest, and then I would have to complete the whole bonus questline (conquering all of the LMA bonus provinces) in order to get my 2nd recurring slot back.
Conclusion: You need to conquer Raven's Creek and complete the LMA story line (including the last "Gather 40,000 coins & Gather 40,000 supplies" quest in order to trigger the LMA bonus quest line; then complete the LMA bonus quest line, and the bonus quest slot will turn into side/recurring quest. (This is according to this guide that maintained you need to complete the LMA bonus quest, and then you get to keep the 2nd slot)
But even better, you can get the 2nd recurring slot
before triggering and completing the LMA bonus quest; by advancing
far enough in the story line,
but not further than this last LMA main story quest. This way you can start doing recurring quests sooner, and no need to conquer the whole LMA bonus map to do so. Btw, I am in CA techwise. I do not know if one can do this also if they are in LMA, ie while in LMA techwise progress until the last LMA main story quest and no further; would the 2nd side/recurring slot appear? (or not, and they would have to complete this quest, do the whole LMA bonus quest line in order to then keep the 2nd side/recurring quest? ).It would be interesting if someone could test this. Also in my personal opinion LMA is a very profitable era for questing and should not be skipped as this guide advises.